Wait so you believe that many of those salty are using this as an excuse to attack your rep based on your stance of defending the game and TC?
Maybe some are but most in here have outright told you their reasoning. If theres one thing the Gears community can do openly, its bash the devs, whether Epic or TC. So I doubt people would need cloak and dagger means of attacking you if they really wanted to.
And again, it’s not that people wanted you to cheat TC because “muh monetization” but rather the fact that you used the exploit, cheated TC and then condemned the act after the fact.
Guarantee had you got the exploit patched the day you discovered it, the tone of this thread would be slightly different.
So basically, you found a exploit to get more XP, and used it for weeks to get to 100.
Then, after getting to 100, you reported it to TC so they can fix it, with the hope that no one else would be able to use it to get to 100.
And so you’ve made this thread to announce that you got to 100, knowing that now other players can’t use the same exploit that you did to “catch up” to you, and also you’re, in a sense, bragging about being the first to get to 100.
But also saying that it’s wrong to take advantage of said exploit because it hurts TC, but you had no issue using the exploit and “hurting” TC, until it benefited you, and then reported it to be the only one that was at 100, knowing that, with TCs ridiculous grinding system, it would take weeks/months before anyone else got to 100?
And so you made this thread basically to get a reaction from the “haters”.
I’m paraphrasing but, is that what this is all about?
Well no, I reported it to the community, which simultaneously reports it to tc.
No, when I made the thread, it had not been patched.
Yes, that is typically how being first to finish a long grind goes.
Not exactly, I’m saying it’s wrong to spread the information en masse. A few players using something like this is not wrong, but disseminating it in secret en masse, instead of telling the company before it reaches the point of an issue at scale, is.
Again, scale matters. A few people doing it is different from the community having the knowledge in secret from the developers. I did not hurt tc doing it by myself. Had I shared it to untold amounts of people privately, I would be hurting TC.
Well I told the community, and they had a chance to use it, but yes. I also did it because it would be ridiculous not to. It’s how I’ve always handled the discovery of grind-breaking loopholes.
No we made this thread to celebrate the end of a very long and tiring grind, and a game milestone. The hating is happening because there’s always haters.
You are mischaracterizing quite a bit, but mostly yes.
This is a thread celebrating two players who found and perfected a loophole in the developers blindspot to get to the max level of an excessive grind, of which one of them openly posted the method to the community knowing the devs would see it, in an attempt to do right by the devs, as well as protect his distance from the rest of the level grinders,- and then refusing satisfaction to those who are trying to tear him down.
That’s about where we are at now.
You lot don’t seem to understand that again, as stannis said- this is a video game, and it doesn’t really matter. I was in competition with many people on leveling up. Not just ektope. I outplayed my competition on a video game, that’s how I see it.
Anyone trying to moralize this differently is simply taking this too seriously, is jealous, or is using whatever they can to disparage me due to my views on the game and the developer. Full stop.
I am not giving these people satisfaction lol. It’s ridiculous. We accomplished something that was very hard to do, as fast as we did it, and I for one, out of the two between me and ektope, am not going to let people rain on that parade. I’m enjoying it. Straight up. I don’t care if peoples feelings are hurt because TC patched it.
Blame them if you don’t like it being fixed, or you think the grind is excessive lol
Your “it’s just a game” attitude contradicts this thread being a celebration of the tiring journey both of you took as well as your comments about being cutthroat in wanting no one else to catch up.
Be true to yourself bro, you care, you care, you know?
Taking personal satisfaction in your own accomplishment is fine .
For me it’s this need some have to do something primarily for the recognition / adulation they think they deserve.
More so when the claimed accomplishment itself is accomplished via loopholes or shortcuts .
Even more so when it’s accompanied by. arrogance,bragging and self delusion .
I’m talking about the claimed first solo unaided Trek actoss the Antarctic of course.
It doesn’t?
I really don’t see how it contradicts at all.
We did take a tiring journey, in this game. I also outplayed my competition by putting the method out to the community, so everyone would have a chance to use it, and the devs would be aware of it, ultimately cutting off my competitions ability to catch up.
None of that is contradictory with the attitude that this is a game, and the fact that the morality that would apply to something like this in interactions in the real world does not apply here. That’s why the comments regarding this being shady, or whatever, are nonsense.
I didn’t do it for the adulation or recognition. Nice bonus, but it was the challenge of it. Also I was competing with my friend @Ektope. I haven’t actually done grinds like this since I was younger, and I wondered if it was still in me. Turns out you never forget how to ride a bike lol.
So you don’t think its contradictory to want to be “cutthroat” and “outplay the competition” by “making sure no one catches up” but still hold an opinion such as “it’s just a game, not that serious”?
LOL OK first of all, this is all entertainment for me
I’m not mad because it was patched. Because
A), I could not care less about getting to 100 re-up
B), I don’t even know/care what my rank is as I only play Horde in this version of GOW. And I haven’t played since Valentines weekend.
C), ME personally, I would never attempt to make it to 100 re-up grinding this game.
That being said, if something is wrong, it’s Wrong for Thee as well as We. There’s no, “Hey me and my friends took advantage of this in your game, but it’s ok because 40/100/1,000+ didn’t take advantage of it.” And when people start taking advantage of said exploit, now it’s wrong and has to be fixed because? Was it not wrong from Day One? What does" scale matters" even mean? A exploit that is wrong is wrong if 2 people use it or 2,000, no?
I mean, so, you waited until you got to or near 100, then shared the exploit publicly knowing that TC would patch it, making it so no one else would get to 100/catch up to you and your friend?
He’s the one who sets the parameters, he says when too many is too many, I guess lol.
Brb guys going to steal from the gas station because scale matters and there’s only one of me so it’s really not hurting their business much, right? So that’s not wrong of me to do, right?
No. That’s perfectly in line with how people play competitive games.
No I know. I can tell you don’t take it as seriously as a few of the other peeps here. Same for skorge, and stannis. I know they’re not mad, they’re just debating the merits of the situation with me as you are. All fair, I don’t mind some healthy discussion.
Well, that’s exactly how it works.
You see a small handful doing it does not make an impact on a business model, but a community doing it without the devs knowing about it can lose them considerbale money. That’s just the nature of it.
It means they have a business model to protect, and if the community at large starts doing something that invalidates or threatens the model to a severe degree- they have a right and a duty as a company to fix that.
Yea exactly, and I don’t have any shame about it. Like I said, it may not be likeable, but I’m not really worried about that.
Well you see @IDONTuseMODz Petty theft and felony theft, or conspiracy to commit theft are very different crimes. They are considered in the legal system to be extremely different regarding severity. Which validates my point about impact and scale.
So is that you agreeing theft is theft, no matter the amount taken? By your own words you took money from their pockets too. Just because it’s a small amount doesn’t mean you didn’t take any. Or did your mama teach you it’s okay to steal, as long as it’s small amounts?
Right but usually when one takes to being cutthroat outside of the game or match, they’re pretty serious about the game. Were you not as serious about being the first, you wouldnt show this level of commitment to winning.
There’s a difference between taking something that cost $5 via a security vulnerability in a company, and telling people about the security vulnerability so they can do it.
What I’m saying is that what me and ektope, and a handful of people we told only days before we maxed did, ultimately did not impact them.
If we had gone around telling people without revealing it indefinitely- that would potentially have had an impact.
I think you’re trying to find a contradiction where there isn’t one.
People compete pretty seriously over games, and this wasn’t exactly outside the game or match.
The game, and match, was getting to the end of the grind. It’s a peripheral of the game at best.
Stop speaking on behalf of people who don’t agree with what they’ve done.
It’s not even necessarily being salty it’s just stating what they done isn’t even the real real achievement. Yes they got to re up 50 and it still took work but without that exploit they werent getting that for a long ■■■ time.
If you wanna support them and congratulate them be my guest, but don’t be saying because people disagree it’s to be just being salty and jealous cause that’s not the case for me anyway.
I’m not gonna congratulate someone who used exploits to gain an advantage just to say ‘I’m the first’ plus they’re both wanting so much attention even wanting to provoke people which I’m sorry if you actually think that’s okay then you’re just as bad as those who part took in this.
You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect that but yeah I obviously don’t agree in the slightest with what you’re saying.
Just because you and a couple of friends did something that “did not impact them” doesn’t mean it was right to do it in the first place.
If something is wrong, it’s wrong. The only way that would not be the case is if TC were OK with you using this exploit, but didn’t want it to get out to the masses. Which I suspect, according to the story told above, they did not know about it? Or they did but it took them a while to fix it?
Either way, if I take advantage of a exploit that I know is wrong, I’m not going to play like it was ok just because I and a friend are the only ones that knew about it. It’s wrong if I do it alone or if half the forums use the exploit to get to 100.
Just because, as you say, “it doesn’t impact TC”, does not justify using a exploit to be at the top of the leader boards (are there leader boards for this in the game?).
Ask yourself, if you would have PMed Dana or Octus or someone else at TC and said, “Hey, me and my friend found this exploit in your game that we are going to use to reach re-up 100 and be the first to get it. But we’re not going to tell anyone else, ok”.
Do you think they would have been OK with you using said exploit to be the first to get to 100? Just because no one else knew about it?
No, I disagree. Things are not always black and white. The developers left a blindspot loophole in the grind, I found it, and I used it. Then I made them aware of it before it got out of control. What is wrong about that? You can offer me platitudes like if something is wrong it’s wrong, but that doesn’t mean anything. Quantify it. Explain how a handful of players doing it is wrong, when it doesn’t impact the quarterly returns of the studio, as opposed to the community doing it which certainly can.
I think they only found out when I put it up on twitter, and then for sure when it went up here.
It was probably the former which meant 3 days to look at it and fix it.
No, impact and scale do matter. It’s not black and white. Also, this is a video game, and it is largely fair game since I did not cheat, I only used what they put in the game, very quickly.
It doesn’t need to be justified. I don’t need to justify using it. You need to justify it being wrong. The onus is on you here to quantify how this was wrong to do at a small scale.
Besides, they only classified it as an exploit after they found out. I was simply using game mechanics very quickly. “Exploit” is a highly subjective term anyways. It simply means anything that can be taken advantage of. Master difficulty is an exploit.
I highly doubt it, which is why we kept a tight lid on it until we got to the max level. Hence the “Congrats to those who got some sneaky extra exp out of this while it lasted”
My entire point here being, it was in the game, I found it, I used it, I told the community openly which resulted in the devs patching it. I outplayed my leveling competition, many of which by the way are using far less legit means than I did, such as idling, and scripted software.
Now where in that is the wrong thing I did? Using a part of the game that was working properly very quickly? You can call it an exploit, but that doesn’t mean anything on it’s on as I stated above.
You have to quantify to me what, and how anything I did here was wrong. The closest thing to a valid complaint that I’ve seen in this entire thread was “Well this was kinda a D move bro” which I admit, yes it was. I’m not concerned with being liked by everyone.
