Probably just another thing that TC missed that others used to their advantage for as long as they could get away with.
I guess some just have a issue with you boasting about being #1 and the first to get to 100 using a exploit that you deemed as wrong and revealed for TC to fix so no one else could reach your level of “success” using it. And they feel you did it to make them feel “salty”.
Which, if that’s the case, that would be why the negative reaction is so strong.
But. You’re right, it’s not necessarily wrong. I was just going by when you said that it would be wrong if more people started using the same exploit as you did to achieve the 100 re-up like you did.
Well yeah, I mean, knowingly spreading knowledge of something that legitimately harms a business on an impactful scale is definitely wrong, but that doesn’t make every atomized instance of that action wrong, especially concerning a video game, and further when it doesn’t impact their business.
That’s the case were in.
Of course it was a D move. I admit that. You can’t please everyone man haha.
Some people are cheering me on, enjoying the show, and others are taking issue. That’s the name of the game. Haters gon hate.
Just out of curiosity @anon32088142 what reup were you at when you figured out this method and how many hours overall did you have to grind to reach 50 ?
I’m happy to see that re-up are totally useless with bad rewards. It’s my real lesson today. I’m happy because i won’t have regrets if i quit the game to the future… I’m disgusted by grinding. Too in Gears 4. And the same is coming in Gears 5. I will probably say stop one day. Because now i want fun only. Fun and fun…
I want to be a player, not a grinder or TC worker.
In fact, TC have the capacity to bring more and more boring skins, bad rewards, just stupid and cupid market things… Operation are a long road for no exceptional things. Just wind…
TC is the king of the disapointment.
I see it with Gears 4 packs, colored stupid weapons skins, and money attitude, and bugs after bugs, we can see it in Gears 5. Since the beginning, we have a serious needing of cards and characters…
Others concurrent games are here.
Fergusson quit the boat now.
All these bad signs… TC, the fire is in the house.
But i love Gears. Really.
I hope, again and again, the best things for my favorite license… But all i see, for the moment, is a disaster.
But i hope.
Guys…just play for fun. I play gears for competition. …No offense meant here @anon32088142 when I say that grinding to level 50 gets you nothing but a bunch of mediocre gun skins and a jankey emblem and an achievement…and the knowledge that you spent way too much of your life playing a video game.
Lastly, @anon32088142 I think.the word the community is struggling to find is unethical… Substitute ethics or unethical as applicable when people say morals or immoral. Its unethical to abuse an exploit for a month before then turning around and notifying the devs about it. Is it? I don’t know? I also don’t care…lol…I’m not worried about 50. And blunt honesty…even if you had told me about the exp exploit I wouldn’t have had the willpower or the time to even.mess w/it once. I think people are vastly under-estimating just how much time this actually took. Even w/ a massive exp boost. That is how grindy this grind is.
Usually when one makes the argument “it’s just a video game”, they mean to imply little importance to the game.
You described your reporting of the exploit both as a means of solidifying your lead and defended the decision as being “cutthroat” in dealing with competition.
Personally, I don’t view being cutthroat against competition as viewing the game as “just a game”. The level at which you wanted to win or prevent your competitors from catching up contradicts the nature of the statement “it’s just a game”.
Ex: I’ve genuinly never tried for completion on the ToD or re-ups since the game came out. I just recently hit reup 4 (lmao) through regular verses (no goals or milestone medals being chased) and that’s because Gears 5 to me is genuinly “just a game”. I’m not a big fan of Gears 5 so theres nothing drawing me in. So from my POV, seeing you fight to be the first and to put this much effort and “care” into attaining the position, I don’t see it as genuine disinterest or aloofness of the happenings of the game.
You’re playing semantic games here man, it is just a game, and I was also being cutthroat about the competition of it.
It’s really not a contradiction, though I can see how it would seem like one. Just seems like a reach ya know? Video games are an outlet for this kind of behavior for a lot of people.
Just go look at eve online. It’s a cesspool of this attitude, I assure you.
I didn’t say it was, I’m not saying “it’s just a game” in the grand sense as in I’m aloof or uncaring about it. I care about gears 5, and I was taking the competition seriously, but it IS - JUST- a game in the end.
It just means the things we do in competition in video games, well they aren’t the same things we would do in real life are they?
EX: we team kill each other in games for a laugh, doesn’t translate to real life.
See what I mean? So what if I was “unethical” or I pulled a D move. It’s a video game, it’s fair grounds for that behavior imo.
@KKTHNKSBB Sorry mate they patched it. It was essentially farming ribbons in horde custom matches, but they removed the ribbon to stop it.
People can have opinions without being salty.
Salty people offer their opinions disrespectfully
Manipulation may work for you with many people, but it will not with me.
I did not say this, you said this in an attempt to attach this view to me. I do not have this view.
My view is that people can disagree, but if they do so in a disrespectful manner, then they are clearly salty.
I have said this point twice now. You did not engage with it the first time, so if you do not address it again, instead choosing to insult and misrepresent my statements, you are only making yourself look bad.
Go on though, keep trying with your low level manipulation, followed by your disrespectful insults.
It’s as clear as a glass house.
P.s. Don’t call me mate. I’m not your mate. I’m someone you’re misrepresenting and insulting.
Although it’s a disagreeing opinion you’re saying it’s automatically salty and it doesn’t work like that. So that’s pretty much saying any time someone has a conflicting view about this issue and pretty much anything else that’s it automatically salty.
Having a ‘disrespectful’ opinion? So you mean just one that differs from yours?
You’ve pretty much called everyone mad and salty who has simply disagreed with you and you’ve implied it and tried to provoke people. Maybe before you give advice to people, think twice. You’re not in a position to give advice since you’ve been just as disrespectful to people who have disagreed with you.
You talk about me and others manipulating but you’re not even letting anyone disagree with you without calling them salty which can be disrespectful to us.
Your ego literally clouds any sort of normal thinking you may have,
Guess anytime someone disagrees with me I’ll call them salty and disrespectful since that’s your logic
I’m done anyway, there’s never getting through to people like you it’s just constant clapback about how you’re right and everyone who disagrees in a ‘disrespectful’ way is salty.
Go and reply saying I’m being this and that but I’m comfortable knowing I’m speaking the truth and didn’t throw a good portion of my life away to achieve something which was boosted by an exploit😂
Oh no! Guess I’m salty for what I’ve said, however will I live with myself?
This is all funny to me honestly, you’re head is awayyyyyy mate. Unless people have congratulated you, you’ve not let really much others disagreeing hard-core have their opinions which is manipulative so don’t be going after me saying so just because I’m speaking truth hahahaha.
I’ll just enjoy the rest of the thread knowing I’m in the majority of people who actually see you for what type of person you really are and the lengths you went to for a video game😂
Can’t wait to read your reply saying ‘you didn’t say that or I’m the manipulative one’ please go for it! Break down every sentence and be illogical and blinded by your own opinion which I may say if you’re calling me manipulative that’s disrespectful which thus means in yours eyes salty apparently.
Your point is not true. Your point is a misrepresentation. A strawman fallacy. It’s clear as day.
You continue to say that I’m saying something I am not saying, while you clearly avoid engaging in my point that you were being insulting. You are absolutely doing that. Spin this as much as you want, I don’t care. It’s not gonna work.
You came in this thread hurling insults, most of which were removed, but you’re still doing it.
People are allowed to have a “conflicting view” or “disagreeing opinion” - What makes them salty is the fact that you, and others here, refuse to engage in good faith. Engaging in good faith means you are not throwing out slights, insults, using fallacies, or manipulating. You are doing all of these as you offer your “conflicting/disagreeing” opinion. Therefore, you are salty.
Calling someone mate like you are doing is a way of saying F you. I’m aware of how to curse politely in british, thank you very much. Your insolence is too blindingly obvious to turn this around on me I’m afraid.
How many times are you going to repeat the same manipulative assertion? This is, again, a strawman fallacy.
You are misrepresenting something, over and over, as something it is not, in an attempt to put the conversation in a false frame. I reject your frame.
I have discussed the topic with several people in this thread who are disagreeing with me, as long as they are not being insolent and disrespectful.
You are being insolent and disrespectful from your first post in here. You in fact seem to refuse to engage without trying to belittle me, or anyone who disagrees with YOU.
So you see, this is projection at its finest. I can talk to someone who disagrees, and I can do it respectfully, but you- you must insult, twist my points, belittle, and manipulate.
Example:
Maybe if you would engage a little more nicely, we could have an honest discussion, but no- you want to come in here, and belittle, throw insults, misrepresent things that are said.
No. I have not. I am dismissing people who are being disrespectful as salty. It’s funny, because it’s true.
The people disagreeing with me who are not being disrespectful- I talk to them. Normally, without throwing insults like you are doing.
Funny you tried to slip in that strawman again, “you’re being just as disrespectful” - “people disagreed with you” Oh, so now I’m being disrespectful and people are merely disagreeing? No. This is not the case. People are being disrespectful, and I will not engage with disrespectful people engaging in bad faith- in good faith.
I’m able to carry a rational conversation without engaging in bad faith tactics like you are doing, so I’m not sure how you think this holds any water. It doesn’t. I can think quite clearly, and discuss with someone disagreeing with me without insulting them unlike yourself.
I’m not going to discuss with someone who is blatantly belittling me, and insulting me & others, in every reply. I’m just going to dismiss you as salty.
Yeah, watching you dance is funny for me too, don’t worry lol
You’re not nearly as good at this as you think you are. Anyone with a rational mind can see clear as day that you came into this thread belittling and insulting from your first reply. It’s a shame @GhostofDelta2 moved a few, but that’s alright. You’re still doing it lol
I am letting people disagree, and I’m discussing the issue with the ones who can carry a conversation respectfully which you refuse to do.
Notice above I conceded what I did was a D move several times. That was an example of letting someone have their opinion.
Keep trying to misrepresent what I have said, as I said in the last reply, you’re only making yourself look bad.
Right- so what you have attempted to do here is to label any reply to your manipulative tactics as illogical, blinded, and disrespectful.
The fact is, you are being manipulative, you are misrepresenting what is being said instead of engaging with it. You are also insulting, and being disrespectful.
You’re not here to have a conversation, you’re here to belittle, and engage in bad faith tactics.
Calling out your manipulation is not disrespectful, it’s the truth.
By all means, continue to expose yourself.
Again, cursing at me with british sarcasm.
You just HAD to end it on an insolent tone didn’t you
You know, even at this point with you having engaged in all kinds of bad faith tactics- manipulations, fallacies, insults, belittling, disrespect.
Even at this point I’d be willing to talk to you about this reasonably if you would only do so without engaging in the aforementioned tactics.
I doubt you will do such a thing. At this point- your only option is to dig yourself into your position deeper, continue to lie, and claim I am doing the things you are actually doing.
If you choose to reply in good faith, with some respect, instead, I will carry a conversation with you normally.
If you choose not to- insulting me, you’re only exposing yourself as the insolent disrespectful manipulative person you have chosen to be this entire thread.
It doesn’t really matter which one you choose, either one exposes that you’ve been this way up till this point- the first because the tone shift will be obvious- the second because you’re blatantly being this way.
Your best option really is to do as you said you would, and not reply. That way, you can at least try to save face.
That, or actually engage in good faith, and apologize for the insults.
In any case, any rational person reading this interaction can see clearly who is engaging in bad faith here.
I’ll engage in good faith if you stop saying I’m being manipulative etc… because I am not. I’m simply expressing my opinion and to YOU it’s like that and it’s not my fault that’s how you interpret it.
All I’ve wanted to say is I don’t agree with what you done, I even said above still you put alot of work into what you done which is fair play but using that exploit then bringing attention to it once you got to re up fifty is just sly, in my opinion.
I’m not apologising for any of my ‘insults’ cause once more it’s my opinion.
I didn’t even say anything majorly insulting, anything pretty much is considered insulting on the forums and it’s a joke tbh.
I’ll agree to end things on a civil manner and agree to disagree but that’s about it.
