Idk about you, but I saw several threads addressing the beta tuning before it went live.
However, no one started consolidating all the threads into big one until right after the tuning went live. That’s why there were loads of locked threads after beta tuning went live. They were merging those small threads into one big one. And when I say they, I’m referring to TC and not just the mods.
If TC is looking to improve how to collect feedback, several people have suggested the idea of asking for feedback in game. I think this could go a long way.
Maybe after a few games, have constant in-game menu option?
If there was a yes/no/in-between type options to vote on (for basic metrics) as well a box for written feedback to expound on a players reasoning, suggestions, etc. that would be really cool.
That way it is accessible to the whole player base (that is active), people can choose to participate or ignore it, and your feedback will be in one spot.
Do you think something like this be feasible/realistic to implement?
Edit- I just saw Foxy Renegade’s post and your response about pretty much the same thing. So that would be awesome if TC could implement something like that in the future. Or even gears 6 if multiplayer tunings are going to be tinkered with as much as they have been in gears 4 & 5
check again, there’s a unique posters count and it adds up to only 231 different individual posting.
that takes into account all the threads that are linked there.
I’ve exploded them and it’s almost literally a bunch of single post threads.
judging by his content and his punctuation and general approach to a civil discussion, well, he might as well take another 5 more months off this board
Feedback should not be gathered on social media, or on the forums, or on youtube, or anything like that. It should be gathered IN-GAME. Do optional in-game surveys or something like that. As much as people on these forums think they speak for the entire Gears community, they really don’t.
In the big tuning thread there was something like 230 unique users with like 1.4k replies. It basically boiled down to a bunch of nerds arguing with each other with insanely long and drawn out posts that nobody with a functioning brain has the attention to sit and read through. That thread accomplished absolutely nothing. At the end of the day, here’s what needs to change:
As I said before, TC’s methods of gathering feedback are flawed. They need to hear opinions from every source and every demographic of player. But when it comes to actually gathering statistics, it should all be done in-game so that it is consolidated and it reaches the entire player base.
Because there are so many differing opinions as far as tuning goes, they will never please everyone. So they need to pick something and stick with it. Whether you love it or hate it, that’s what theyve done which is actually a step in the right direction in my opinion. I don’t think this tuning is perfect but I also think it’s better than the pinball hyperbounce movement we used to have. Maybe there’s a happy medium between the two which is what they should strive to find in my opinion, but at least they made their mind up on something.
What we really need is a clean slate. Gears 5 was dead on arrival because it had the worst launch since Gears 2 with somehow less content than that game had. Gears 6 needs to compile all the feedback TC has received and all the lessons they have learned, and needs to be a home run. Otherwise Gears is done.
I wish I could like OP 1,000 times over. You nailed that post, dude.
it’s infuriating, isn’t it?
"We understand there is a portion of the community that is continuing to give feedback on the live tuning changes. However, the tuning changes were in beta for 2 months prior to them going live. We asked for feedback during those 2 months, reached out to various players who were playing them regularly and whom they affected. The time for ‘we want it changed’ feedback was during those 2 months, as these tuning changes will be the last major tuning changes to PVP.
At this time, we are also going to be closing the Tuning Thread. The discussion has run its course and is currently circling around the same points that we have now addressed above.
Take care, kill grubs, and be kind to each other."
who is “we”? what!?
They literally got the ‘we didn’t know about this dev playlist treatment thing’ treatment
How many are willing to engage in another in game click that deviates them from mashing a until their preferred mode had been launched?
How many times do people engage with surveys?
By the gears community standards, tc should pay in gold every filled in form only to then hear screeches about numbers not being real one way or another.
If TC is keeping their decision on this being the last major tuning change i RESPECT them for having the balls to carry on with something instead of having to put up with teenagers that can only insult, open farewell threads and post videos of them uninstalling just to be here complaining a couple of minutes later
Sure, not everybody will do the survey. But I’m sure it’s better than less than 70 people giving feedback on the forums, and the few that gave feedback on social media.
Dude, you can’t deny that having an in-game survey is better than asking people to go to the forums, create an account and post on english (I wonder how many LATAM players really got a say in the tuning)
if they dont participate in the survey then they dont have a right to complain, it’s that simple.
Now don’t get me wrong, people can and will still complain, but that’s inevitable. This could be the greatest game of all time and people will still complain. But at least there will be a way to filter the complaints between people who participated and people who didn’t.
By participating in the survey you are taking an active role in shaping the game. If you choose to not participate then, to put it cordially, your opinion doesnt matter. You had a chance to make your voice heard and you didn’t take it, that’s on you.
The only people who seem to matter are the people who treat them like the 2nd coming.
It was made very clear to me in Dana’s last stream. Confirmation bias
Clearly closing the thread didn’t solve the issue. Its gonna bleed out into other threads and what not.
Poor choice by the people running this place. Sometimes its better to just have a “one and only” thread to keep the clutter down.
I think they should do mall surveys. Everyone did those.
made a good point about them pushing you away with this change and it’s not only this tuning for me and my circle who play. its the removal of modes from ranked, it’s the squad limits. the change to 4v4.
every move they’ve made has been a negative IMO and I almost feel like they personally watch what I do in this game and set out to ■■■■ with it. (crazy conspiracy aside)
For those of you that trying to base your argument on the fact that TC is sticking to their guns on this tuning doesn’t really prove anything. I’ve only really seen that argument from players that prefer the tuning and I’m not convinced that if the the wheel had stopped on a different tuning you wouldn’t be doing the same thing thing that people are doing here. This was a sweeping change that impacted various facets of the gameplay and players are justifiably upset by how it was handled. Tunings are ideal for tweaking one or two variables and seeing the community response.
There were 230 regular users of the forum that were commenting on “The Big Tuning Thread.” Yes, several of those players posted multiple times to reach 1400 posts. As stated previously that was from an unknown amount of separately started threads and doesn’t account for full community engagement such as likes. Not to mention does anyone know how many regularly active users on even currently on the forum? At the end of the day it is proof of a microcosm that very well could be indicative of the larger population. These groups exist on all the other channels of media as well.
Many players aren’t going to have a forum account, but arguably those players are probably the most dedicated as they have an Xbox registered account linked to the official forum. I’m sorry, but any schmuck can have a Twitter account and post responses there. They technically don’t have to be active users in the game or even played it at all, but that feedback appears to have been prioritized over this channel. Pretty much anybody could have a forum account as well, but it’s more likely that users here are probably more regular players. Regardless, this is why an in-game survey needs to be the way this is handled in the future.
Yes, I’m fully aware of the potential pitfalls of collecting data via surveys. Personally, I would track the amount of time the survey is open in attempt to rule out players that just rapidly click anything to get them through it. At least this method would be a way to know that the players that are weighing in actually play the game and would provide hard data that is impossible to achieve using as many modes of media that TC is currently monitoring. There is also a clear user engagement problem that needs to be addressed with incentives, but ultimately the entire style of gameplay should not shift over one tuning.
Also, I’m sorry if this post is too long for someone’s short attention span. Some would prefer their thoughts be voiced in an articulated manner rather than the inane ramblings found in Twitter.
I’ll tell ya what, you enjoy playing with the playerbase of only around 100 people. I truly pray you enjoy it, as you sit there waiting 2 hours to find a match and another 2 hours to finish that match due to the gameplay being 4x slow mo. I dont know why people like you defend this sh*t. You’re only killing the game for both 80% of the playerbase and yourself in the process. I swear people are trolling at this point. Unless you just started playing, I cant fathom how you defend this pure nonsense.
I feel this all too well. Like it’s a personal attack on me lmao. It’s crazy how every change has pushed me further away.
I bet you contributed so much to the growing of the franchise with words like this.
You bring up a good point. New players can enjoy the tuning, so it does have some fun to it. Thank you for providing that insight.
These are the same people who changed how you activate the chainsaw after 6 games. Felt the omen they made was better than the past 6 games. Felt gears 4 was so good at the end that they were going to basically ignore it for what we got.
Are they though? Old tuning they got smashed. New tuning they get smashed just slower.
The result is gonna be the same.
I was in a game on nexus. One master and three onyx players on the other team.
The master got 50 plus. The onyx ones players under 20 elims each.
At one point one got typing to tell the other to shut up…
Clearly according to your logic they were enjoying it.
That’s cool. That means nothing to what I was referring to in context, thanks though.