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[Drinkands_im]

But the thing is this isnt the case with Gears. Because a great player can carry his noob partner. Especially in a 5 stack with one noob. And they can power rank them to a certain point. Yet that person doesnt belong there. This ranking system is actually the best ranking system. Its completely performance driven. And anyone that takes ranking so serious needs to take a deep breathe. When playing over the internet there are always uncontrollable variables. The ranking system first and foremost is to match teams against equally skilled teams.

[GhostofDelta2]

Roger Federer can play a 2vs2 match. He loses because of him noob partner.
Federer could be gain even a Nobel Price, but never he will be gaining points in International Tennis Federation, why?, becuse he lost the match, so obvious.

Tennis also doesn’t use simply wins versus losses (as you are arguing for) in order to create their ranking system, so it seems a strange example.

You can use this example for any sport competition.

Most sports competitions use teams that are generally made up of the same roster of players and get to play an even number of matches ( before finals). Neither of those are the case with Gears, which is what causes the problems.

The ranking system first and foremost is to match teams against equally skilled teams.

Bingo.

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[Drinkands_im]

The system does calculate your performance 1v1 against your opponents and the members of your team. And against the leaderboard stats. If you deserve to be higher rank you will be playing great at your rank regardless of your team.

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[GhostofDelta2]

Don’t misrepresent what i said. It is so crystal clear.

You used Tennis as an example when it doesn’t use the ranking system you propose is the best. Im not trying to misrepresent your example, just pointing it out to not be particularly valid. Especially given the quote below

You can use this example for any sport competition.

I was pointing out that wasn’t the case in sporting competitions unless they met certain conditions, which Gears doesn’t. You never refuted any of those points either.

Never in an sport competition someone is winning points when he lost the match.

But even when losing teams can still improve their average score versus and against if they were below parity.

If two teams are at 2 wins and 5 losses for example, both lose another match each but one scores more goals and has a narrow loss they can actually jump AHEAD of the other team.

Similarly, two teams that are high up can swap places when both win (or lose) on any given weekend due to their score for and against.

[Drinkands_im]

Its kind of weird that you are using Gears 4 as an example of a failed ranking model, when what you are asking for is the ranking system in Gears 4. You can’t rank up without winning.

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[Drinkands_im]

Its a ranking system for matchmaking not a competition. If you want to compete in Gears. You need to go join a tournament. There only Wins-Losses matter. That is Gears competition. Online Ranked is a matchmaking system to try and maintain a competitive environment, but it doesnt represent Gears Esports.

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[GhostofDelta2]

Have a good day.

You too bud

[ll_R_E_D_l]

Never in an sport competition someone is winning points when he lost the match

You got this twisted. Team based sports have a team ranking and an individual ranking. Just because a team is loosing doesnt make the individual’s rank go down if they are performing

[Drinkands_im]

It doesnt matter what the ranking system is. There will always be someone complaining about it lol. If it matches equal teams against each other (or close to it) then it accomplished its job.

[GhostofDelta2]

Every ranking system will have its flaws, I fully accept that.

Wins versus losses though is far too simplistic as it assumes all wins and all losses are equals. Losing to A Diamond tier stack isn’t the same as losing to a bunch of solo queued silvers.

[Drinkands_im]

Like you said it works when you have a fixed season with semi fixed teams. With rosters and trading rules. I wouldnt mind if Gears had a mode where you could set something like this up. Buts its not what Ranked mode is about. Its not about one fixed team against another. Its about where an individual ranks in a pool of people. Assuming they might play on different or no teams depending on the day.

[GhostofDelta2]

I wouldnt mind if Gears had a mode where you could set something like this up

Would be pretty cool to have some online tournaments for this kind of thing.

[Drinkands_im]

Yeah even if you could set up a season where you had to play x amount of games then afterwards you had playoffs.

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[Drinkands_im]

Its not a team game. I believe if the stats were revealed you would find most people are solo queuing. In sports that you are comparing to you always have a full team coordinating. If you had a list with squads only then I could agree with what you are saying. But i bet you would find that someone playing Gears online with a full 5 member squad is actually the minority.