Yeah i dont agree. You are basing this on a small sample size from the tech test. Once data is compiled on everyone. One or two matches isnt going to make huge shifts. Its definitely more fluid than Gears 4, but the ranking system basis in essence is the same. And this system encourages people to play the game rather than sit on their rank. Which makes the game a lot more healthy and makes it so when people get to Diamond 5/Master they dont just stop playing until next season. The ranking system if it works as intended is great the way it is.
It is like this here in Gears 5 but the points need to be tweaked so there arenât as many shifts. Yes, it is only a small sample size but we have seen it happen in other games. I agree with you overall that is a fluid system that will encourage people to keep playing but it has room for improvement.
Once the game comes out and things settle, it will be like you said about having a more concrete leaderboard placement for everyone.
Will there be people who suffer because they donât put that much time into the game? Yes. Will people be placed ahead of their ârealâ rank because of their play time? Yes, we saw that clearly in the tech test and we have observed that in other games.
They just gotta find a good balance between performance and result and it will all be fine.
Im clearly just not getting how the play time makes an impact. You have to out perform the leaderboards to move up. If you play and dont out perform you go down or remain the same.
Playing more has no positive impact and in the long run is actually going to make it harder to move up. Once the system has historical data on you it becomes more difficult to change your historical stats.
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Let me first add this real quick. I like this system more than the one in Gears 4 because in Gears 4 everyone was scared to play solo or without a 5 man. This will make it better for those of us who not always play with a 5 man as we can gain points even if we lose. That is actually something different between this system and the one in madden/fifa, which comes down to 1v1 game vs team game.
Okay, you know how your points were getting cut if someone quit on the other team? If that happens to you 5 out of 8 matches you play then you will gain letâs say 81 pts. Someone who plays 15 matches and has the luck to not get his/her points cut down will absolutely surpass you on the leaderboard by tallying up 148 pts.
That is what Iâm hoping they get right, but Iâm curious as to how it will work. They have to set parameters for points awarded or deducted based on performance and result.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out because 5 mans will win a lot but be favored a lot, therefore not get a lot of skill points. People not in a 5 man can perform better, not be favored, lose more but possibly gain more skill points.
If they balance it out properly then the significance of play time will decrease. It will still factor in though. For example, between two equally skilled players, the one who plays more will be ahead.
If they are equally skilled then play time will have an impact. But overall they will still most likely be in the same tier. The quitting issue TC acknowledged as a bug. So it isnt intended to be that way in the final game. The big movement in ranks in the tech test was more people placing high out of placements. Which will quickly be adjusted once they then have to face people at the rank they placed. They will either still be able to play at that level consistently or they will go down in rank.
The ranking system in essence is the same as Gears 4. You had a skill rating that you didnât see which impacted your movement in the Ranking system. Now you just see that Skill rating and that rating is how you rank. The only major difference is that you dont need to Win to go up, which places a smaller impact on your team makeup, and more weight on personal performance. Sure if you have a good team it makes it easier to perform well, but that is the case in any team based game. But like you said the system also recognizes that you are in a squad or not and compensates accordingly.
So in Summary. I think play time will matter the most in the Top 100 Masters list. But this a good thing, and these are the people that typically play the game the most to begin with. These will be a lot of D5âs from Gears 4 that got their D5 Rank and then moved on to other games. Because they had no reason to keep playing once they got D5 for the season. This made matchmaking impossible for higher ranks. This ranking system is a major improvement in every way from the Gears 4 ranking system.
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I actually think this ranking system will make the game more competitive, which is what you want in a competitive versus game. The best of the best wont just move on to other games. They will stick around to try and hold their ranks, or move into the Top 100 Masters List.
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Ok, i knew all of that except for TC acknowledging the quitting issue as a bug for the rankings. I thought it was a way of the system saying, âOkay, someone quit on the other team and you donât deserve full credit.â Will it give full credit for even for a 5v3 win? Will it depend on when the opponent/s quit? That is interesting to me.
The top 100 Masters list will shift a lot, but I think that other ranks will too. The difference will be that in all other ranks there is a way out of them but Masters is obviously the highest, meaning that the fight will be to remain in Masters.
In the end, it is great that this system is more reflective of individual performance to go along with results. It was terrible to see people getting lazy wins and performances and still ranking up in Gears 4. Best of all, it will reward consistency and not allow those âfakeâ diamonds from Gears 4 who could only wreck on their terms.
Equally skilled or similarly skilled, playing time will have a role and people will complain about it. The community will not like logging on and seeing they have dropped rank. I still think there will be some anomalies but for the most part people will be more accurately placed than in Gears 4.
I agree some people arent going to like logging on and seeing they dropped in Rank. Especially if they enjoyed getting their rank and moving on. But that wasnt best for the game and for getting people to transition into Esports. They got their rank, moved on, and some of them didnt deserve it. I know people that achieved Diamond without ever beating a Diamond. That system at times, particularly late in the season, prevented people more deserving from going to the next Tier. Because each tier had a fixed population, and it was much more difficult to Rank up then rank down. No system is going to make everyone happy.
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I dont know if the new system will be better or worse for me. But i do think the system is better for the Gears gaming community as a whole. Now the real question is will enough people transition from Gears 4 to Gears 5 based on gameplay changes.
Also im skeptical about âLeaderboardâ and you need play a lot to rank up let me explain.
During the two beta weekends i put 4 hours at day finishing with level 90. My rank was jumping between Gold to Onyx sometimes even going to Silver. Good stats + Win is more important than just âplay a lotâ.
My friend playing 2 hours at day ending on lv 42. He got placed on Onyx 3 and could archieve diamond 1 during a day because he have better K/D ratio than me.
Personal âSTATSâ = 60%
Win = 25%
Play a lot = 15% or less
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Yeah playing a lot will only help against equal skill. If you are playing a lot more than someone equal skill you might be higher rank. But thats because people will keep getting better than the person playing less. And thats the way it should be.
In the grand scheme of things the overall system wonât be much different than Gears 4. Its just more transparent.
Why do you give a â â â â about points? They are so arbritarty and donât mean anything.
Nevermind that we just went through Gears 4, were we had several topics going into great detail why the ranking system is bustedâŚ
Iâm pretty sure you can play all day long and if you suck you suck. You wonât get any scrap points towards the leader board. Youâll just average out over time to the rank your supposed to be at. If you play 100 games and Donât have any improvement your rank probably wonât move much no matter how long you play.
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Yeah, i agree with that. I was more so saying for similarly skilled players, but really anyone can gain scraps from playing a lot. Even if they donât perform very well and donât always win, they can gain more points by playing more. If they play 20 games and go 11-5, they could potentially gain more than if you go 8-0. Of course, several factors come into play and that is why parameters should be set.
As long as they balanced the points awarded and deducted in relation to the performance and result, it will all be fine. Iâm hoping it is like @Drinkands_im said, that you can really only impact your position by outperforming or underperforming.
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Well I really hope that ranking system in tech test was bugged or flawed, because I was all over the place. From diamond to gold to onxy. I couldnât figure anything else. All I know is the few times I got 16 or more ribbons I gain 3k or more in tier points, but matches that I dominated I lost points, and as far as playing alot. I played enough to re-up and there were long stretches where I consistently lost points thatâs why I figured play time doesnât mean anything.
The system was definitely flawed. And eliminations werent even being counted properly. I posted in the bug forum numerous occasions I should have been credited with an elimination and wasnât.
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Victory defeat doesnt work. You can easily just get carried by your teammates.
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Exactly. If you play with a good team and win say 20 matches, then play solo and are terrible you will keep getting smashed until you are back towards your rank.
Then you play with the more skilled teammates again, help lower their overall ranking giving them easier matches which they win, increasing their (and your individual rank) putting you back in the same spot.
Wins versus losses does not work unless you play with the same team the whole time and so does everyone else.
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