The way you rank up

Gears 5
#61

Hi all,

I completely agree with this OP. The ranking system needs changing. Also a diamond from gears 4, yet my 5 first games, i got MVP on 3 of 5, top of my team 5 out of 5 and yet we still lost 4 out of 5 so I got ranked silver 2 -.-. Yet I have also seen people online apparently perform not so great in their 5 tester matches, but because they won, they have been skyrocketed to masters… like what! So now I am trying to grind that damn staircase up which is proving a waste of time for the following reasons.

The ranking system takes barely any account in for player performance. I can be top of the table every game, but if we lose two rounds in a row, or even win one and lose 2, my rank goes down 99% of the time. The only time it does not is if I am sitting on like 25 eliminations to 5 deaths or something stupid. So whilst my team (who I refuse to believe are actually matched by skill level most of the time and instead believe they are still doing their tester games or w.e as I often see level 1 and 2 players in there whereas I could swear i was about level 7 by the time i finished my 5 placement games ect) are feeding the enemy kills in TDM and wasting our respawns for example, I am sat there at end of round one on 10+ kills to 1 death and knowing my rank is going to drop because of it.

I also agree with what you say about the objective and being a team player. With the exception of revives, it does not reward you in the slightest for playing the team player/ support role. Neither does it overly reward you for the objective. It seems you are literally scored mainly on kills and rounds won/ lost and that is it. There are of course other factors in there, but these are the big deciders. If you lose the game, expect to down rank even if you played all the objective and got MVP. And god forbid you pick up a sniper in any mode with respawns. If you do, just fire all shots as soon as possible and try for any headshot you can even if it seems a waste, just so you can continue killing with shotgun or lancer as you get more pts for the damage you deal with them weapons even if you don’t kill the target, than you do for taking your time and getting a headshot with every sniper shot. The game does not reward support or patience, it very much rewards damage per second into pts per second. SO just shoot your lancer at everything and anything that moves.

I’ve literally just turned the game off as we just lost 0 -2 in which i had 1 less elimination than the MVP and 4 deaths, meanwhile, certain members of my team were at 13 deaths ect… I lost 293 pts from my skill rank. 293! Even on a great game where we win 2-0 and i get MVP I would seldom see nearly 300pts gained.

Just my thoughts and experiences so far after two weeks of playing ranked now. It either needs changing or I just don’t see the point in playing it at all. Overall, not impressed at all and sorely disappointed as I am thoroughly enjoying the game, but this ranking system is just poor. I’d love too know if anybody else is having the same sort of experiences as its driving me nuts. Got to the top 10% of my current rank, then we lost two games in a row and am sitting in top 35% again now -.-. I know some people going to see this and just read it as a rant or saltiness lol, but its genuinely just me sharing my experience and thoughts on ranked so far, which are just disappointment.

Oh and p.s non ranked is just completely dead whenever I try to play that… and judging by the poor matchmaking in ranked… I am pretty sure it isn’t overly busy either it seems … which is concerning 2 weeks after launch.

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#62

I’m with you 100% what you said if you read what I say alil bit on top of your it’s about the same thing as your saying.

#63

The way to rank up is to play outstanding - at least in koth.

once i grinded out of silver, it was easy to get to Master rank.

you have to be efficient

capping the ring 50 times doesn’t prove anything to the system. you have to be as close as possible to smooth operator while ALSO playing the objective.

It is harsh, no denying that, but it is not as bad as some people make it out to be.

I mean, you can have 30 elims but only 7 kills and 8 deaths. you are NOT 30 - 8, you are 7-8.

I hope that they don’t make the ranking to where just anyone can move up. I mean, is everyone going to be Master rank? C’mon. If they do that then i wont even know what to say.

Be efficient. it’s like in black ops, going 50-50 with hill time isn’t really good. drop streak and get your hill time smartly, be efficient and go 65-14 (with streak kills) and help your team out.

no different here in gears 5.

#64

Not sure what you’re seeing, but I’ve always gotten instant matches in either Arcade or Coop vs. AI (both of which I play to bang out versus objectives).

#65

Could we see your stats? Im curiois what the stats of masters koth is compared to mine (gold)

#66

I went down 71 points in a similar situation but we were UNfavored to win…
MVP, no quitters, won the match…etc

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#67

estimate your k/d? i think it has a lot to do with it

elims and caps don’t cut it apparently

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#68

This is gonna be a grind at this rate… lol

moved 3% (swarm favored)

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#69

93/31, that’s what i like to see.

right now at the top half of masters, im only getting plus 3 or minus 1 lol…it won’t move AT ALL.

#70

yeah but I am talking PvP non ranked not PvE. I get 1 game which usually has some bots in regardless,then at end of game everyone leaves and you have to search again to find another game with about 6 or 7 out of 10 players.

#71

I agree with this and understand that, But if I am getting kills with the shotgun where they die instantly, or torque bow kills or sniper head shots/ revolver head shots, it is pretty clear the elimination is solely mine - which is most of my kills, so to then have a game of TDM where i go 18 - 3 for example (one game from yesterday on Vasgar) but we lost both rounds because 3 of my team were collectively all at 8+ deaths each and i get ranked down for it… that’s not on me or my performance at all. Many times I have to babysit team mates because they will happily run in 1 vs 3 and feed the enemy team kills - they die, respawn and go running back over there with tunnel vision. So then I have to put myself at risk to go with them to try play the team game as they just wont listen.

And by god another thing… hardly anybody marks enemies. I mark as much as I can to provide info to my team, meanwhile my teammate will fight somebody behind us in our spawn and die without marking them, so we are none the wiser. And I feel sometimes like I am the only person who checks behind us from occasion. Many times an enemy player has come from behind us through like 3 of my team mates who just aren’t looking or paying attention.

I am not saying it is completely broken, but just highly unfair if you are teamed poorly… which is most games. I am not a god player by all means and do not pretend to be and I do not expect to reach masters, but I do expect to get teamed with people of a similar skill level and not somebody at level 1 who is clearly still doing their 5 qualifying matches. That is not much to ask and neither is it much to ask for your personal performance to be taken more into account for your ranking score.

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#72

take a game yesterday i had in tdm it was 5v6 and they where favored .within a min of the match a teammate leaves we win after 3 round i end at 28-7 out of the 28 i say 19 where 100% me kills on the bottom left side it says 175 kill and they where mostly head shots from sniper and the rest gnasher i only gain +101. shoudnt i get more for being down a teammate and not being favored to win.

#73

yeah, absolutely. you cannot perform how you want while babysitting teammates.

the data will compile and we will see more movement for everyone’s rank. the system will begin to place people appropriately.

i agree with your example of 18-3 but many people are not understanding what you and i are saying, that is my issue.

some people are saying they are getting 60 elims and 17 caps in koth and should go up…how does that prove anything?

they chould have only 27 kils out of the 60 elims and have died 29 times. that does not make them 60-29 for a 2.0+ kd…that is a negative k/d of 27/29

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#74

Agree, but going up isn’t my beef.

My beef is going down when the enemy team quits and going down when mvp of a match win against a favored team.

Those are my major points of contention.

At worst I should remain neutral.

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#75

What rank were you when you won this?

#76

yes, i absolutely agree with those two points.

it does not compensate accordingly for quitters and the favored/not favored stuff has got to be incorrect or it is just not calculating properly.

Those are two legitimate complaints which I support. I just don’t support people wanting to be handed a higher rank.

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#77

So are people saying going for kills in KOTH gets you ranked up and not MVP or capping?

Here’s the weird thing my mate and I have been facing since playing gears 5

When I started playing koth in gears 5 I played with one of my friends I always play with, and we both started in silver which is fair enough we knew diamond was something we had to work for, I was silver 2 and my mate was silver 1, we were both diamond players in gears 4 king of the hill, I was diamond 3 and I think he was diamond 2 so we were pretty good and getting tons of points between use out performing our team mates by a long shot.

Anyway onto my point, we both started in silver in gears 5, and we both found it an absolute b**** to get out of and into gold. We both played very often near to every day since the game released and we both played and got results very much similar to those we had in gears 4, so we were either MVP or 2nd with loads of elims and caps. We were in silver for days probably the whole of the first week until came a time when I managed to gain enough skill points to get out of silver,

To then my astonishment once I was in gold I went to gold 3 within 2 days, and compared to silver that’s ridiculously quick, so I thought once you were out of silver you were ahead of the majority of the player base hence why you would rank up quicker which is fair enough, my mate was still in silver at this point I think he was silver 3 and was looking forwards to getting out of silver.

So here we are 2 weeks later I am now Diamond 1… now in gears 4 that took forever to get to, but now I’m diamond within the first 2 weeks and that makes no sense to me, I should have had to work harder to achieve this surely???

Anyway now on to the really bizarre thing, today we are still playing like we always do, my mate is still in silver 3, he has MVP the majority of the time which means he is ahead of me (diamond 1 rank btw) so I’m second most games if not MVP, and today we lost a game, my mate was MVP and LOST -33 points, I was 2nd in the team (Diamond 1 btw I feel like I need to highlight this) and I GAINED 3 skill points.

Please someone explain this to me, as much as I like seeing positive skill points it just doesn’t make any sense.

Can anyone explain this to me???

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#78

Onyx 3

I don’t know how they calculated Gears 4 ranking, but it was always predictable and made sense. I knew when my buffer of performance was running thin and when I was on the verge of moving down if I didn’t pick up the pace.

I also never worried about going down as long as I was MVP of the match. Win or lose (and more often than not a lose since I solo Q)

I know I didn’t always have the most caps. I usually had the most kills though. Otherwise it was a combination that set me ahead.

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#79

Yup yup, moving up isn’t something I have issue with - only (in)correctly moving down.

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#80

it depends on individual performance, so don’t rely on the scoreboard entirely.

also, silver was the toughest to move out of for everyone it seems and that is because there is a logjam there. the system kinda goes haywire trying to decide who is really a silver and who isn’t.

after that, i cruised to master rank easily.