The Big Tuning Thread

Gears 5
#1387

This post is probably going to get lost in the mix but I’ve been playing the update recently (about 5 days) and I have to say some of the movement complaining is laughable. I’m not a hyper bouncer at all but I can still move fine and I can still up and back A. Not only that, I still see hyper bouncers doing their thing out there. It hasn’t gone away.

I seriously can’t see why everyone is crying when I’m literally still seeing the same movement as it was prior to the update albeit a tad bit slower.

1 Like
#1388

it was the playerbase complaining about winning matches and still going down in Rank, which was fine IMO. it was a better system and took an aggregate of everyone in the match to determine match ups instead of the top Ranked player.

you needed to perform to go up. it was possible to Rank up on losses if you did well too.

Now? it’s heavily tilted towards solo gratification.

3 Likes
#1389

I agree, the ranked system we had was way better than the one we have now

3 Likes
#1390

There’s no way I keep seeing the steam charts, there’s only like 50 clickers in existence. The game is dying, its losing players — that’s almost certainly not because of any tuning changes, but just because people aren’t that into TC’s interpretations of GoW.

There’s month by month charts showing Xbox’s most played games, that’s probably not the best but it’s way better than steam charts due to the sample size.

Edit: You idiots complaining about playing in lobbies with Mexicans must not be able to comprehend that almost the entire games population is from Latin America. Listen to the EU kids in this thread, that would be us if we region locked Mexico and the rest of Latin America out of playing with American/Canadian players.

Edit2: Give me the kill tc. https://youtu.be/-NukDd_n1uE?t=50

1 Like
#1391

Man did I ever enjoy lancering someone picking up a power weapon again …hitting them with every bullet before they went to pick up the gun and they still got away with the gun.

Man what an amazing tuning these guys made. Why not just put a shield around the player while they are picking up the weapon so nobody gets punished…

Oh wait but I’ll get punished with delays and delays and delays…

Oh and was killed with a wrap shot…never actually saw the dude shoot his gun. Just he started the motion and I was dead…

Glad the tuning fixed that issue.

And really enjoyed firing a boom at a guys feet and watching him skip along like I tossed rainbows at him.

But I did watch ten minutes of the stream and those folks where basically pro tuning. Syaing the guns where good and the movement was great.

So that’s a problem

5 Likes
#1392

@GuiltyCrisis you have something to say here?

3 Likes
#1393

The tuning is so bad it drags you back to get hit by players that fired their gun 2 minutes ago .
You’ve slid into cover their still aiming where you was stood before sliding in cover and the bullets magically hit you .
Also you can get downed behind cover but then it drags you out of cover so people can finish you off .
The game is terrible clunky snails with shotguns

1 Like
#1394

Is that was even little bit true , there would be a lot of servers in latin america and now there is Zero , but i agree that mehicans need own server ,they are cancer on anygame with their bad internet and 160+ ping .

"

mexican-internet_o_1185626
mexican-internet_o_1185626427×652 75 KB
Mehican server would be a Like wall that protect us from bad experience." :grin:

2 Likes
#1395

Hello @TC_Sera and @TC_Kilo1062

This thread was created only 20 days ago in an attempt to combine all of the backlash towards this new tuning into one place.

In those 20 days this thread has gained so much interest that it’s now the 4th most replied to thread on your entire Forum, Clearly your community wants to discuss this topic, however as a customer it feels like TC does not.

We have been told that this new tuning has received a lot of positive feedback which I recognise to be true. Please also understand that I am very active in all areas of the community whereby feedback is usually vocalised, with the exception of Reddit.

From what I have seen

Facebook - Overwhelmingly Negative
Twitter - Mixed, probably 60:40 in favour of Positive
Your Forums - Mostly Negative
eSports Professional Player - Negative

Your feedback is not all positive and I’m quietly confident in assuming that it’s actually mostly negative.

I’m not typing this to force that on you though, I am looking for some understanding now please. I began giving my feedback to TC almost 3 years ago with Gears 4, this due to the fact that I Administrate a social media group of just below 20 thousand Gears fans. I found that I had people coming to me with issues that I didn’t have the answer for. I said that I’d try my best to get our thoughts heard as the community felt like they were being ignored. I was very negative during this time and I feel it was justified. Since then I have been very vocal and was fortunate enough to actually speak privately with a developer who was creating tunings that referenced my feedback. These tunings then received good feedback from your players and actually had people saying how “This is a new TC”, “Gears is good again”. Whilst obviously I am not claiming responsibility for that, knowing that my feedback matched what the community wants makes me feel like I have a good understanding of your customers and what they seek from your product.

Over the past year, TC have done an incredible job at improving Gears. I had found that a lot of players had given up on Gears so I did my best to try and positively advertise Gears 5 and encourage people to give TC one more chance. Many did, many did not. I did this because I wanted to be honest to my group and I genuinely felt that TC deserved another chance.

In my group I’m now seeing daily backlash that is potentially on par with the backlash TC received at the peak of Gears 4’s hate from the community, possibly slightly worse this time. I am getting the feeling that your customers feel like they’ve given too many chances and that you’re wasting those last chances with this tuning. Whilst Gears 6 hasn’t been announced, people speculate and many have already said they’re not spending anymore of their money on a Gears game due to feeling screwed over.

I also see some people on the fence, they dislike this tuning but are waiting and hoping that you’re looking at a change. I was honest with my group when I was avertising your game and when I was praising TC. Equally I will be honest with them if I think you’re falling back into the state none of us liked. The fact that this thread is almost at 1350 replies with no official response from TC makes me feel like we’re being ignored on a topic we feel is important.

My question is - Are TC considering any adjustments following the amount of backlash they’ve received from numerous sources, or are we to expect this exact same tuning to remain in place for the future of Gears 5? If changes are being considered, what are those?

I will screenshot my comment and I will post it to my group, I will also screenshot any reply I get as a source of information to those people who do not use your Forums. A lack of response is also an answer in itself and I’d make them aware of that should it happen too.

I tagged both of you specifically due to your roles, not to personally put you on the spot.

If you decide that you want to keep this tuning in place, that’s your choice and that’s fine and I would just like to know rather than wasting my time typing here.

Thank you for your time.

12 Likes
#1396

Well said dude, unfortunately im quite hopeless to see some feedbacks from TC, even less changes. They seem to don’t give a ST about it and just want to do what they want to do, i mean crap of course. They decided to literraly change massively the gameplay almost 1 year n half with this famous new-tuning, like its a new game. Im speechless about it, anyway. For me, and many other old players, we won’t play it anymore until changes, TC have just no FIN respect, and basicaly spit on our faces.

3 Likes
#1397

You answered this yourself. Its been 20 days since this thread was created. They kept us in the dark without any communication whatsoever.

They aren’t going to change it. This is the tuning we are stuck with unfortunately.

Worst part of this is, they haven’t even confirmed that this tuning is the final tuning for the Gears 5 lifecycle.
Many more tunings could be subsequently released after this, which may cause the PvP experience to go even further downhill from here.

3 Likes
#1398

Now that people have left the company, I don’t feel comfortable naming them now.

A former TC Dev stated that this is the last major tuning that Gears 5 is getting, however they will monitor and may consider small tweaks where needed.

I had hoped that the shot delay would be considered as a change given the response it’s got.

4 Likes
#1399

@OrOcHi_PhOeNiX said it himself.

He wasn’t a hyper bouncer. He never experienced it. & calls people cry babies for wanting something reverted that he never invested his time on.

Says everything’s the same but admits it that he never tried it. I don’t understand why he even talks about it.

You have hyper bouncers stating everything is not the same. It’s pretty obvious. You can still move, sure. You can still do everything as before.

He just didn’t experience it. Even at full max sensitivity it feels like I’m being held back.

I was on max sensitivity before this OP & current OP I feel like I’m on 8 sensitivity, before tuning.

Majority of hyper bouncers hate this. Even Avexys strongly dislikes it but has to say good things because he’s sponsored. But even on beta he said that it was slow & clunky & bad for the game.

Did TC care about Avexys opinion? Nah… they did it anyway…

So players have to praise this movement because there’s no choice…

I have vibration on In my controller so whenever I bounce I feel the vibration.

Prior tuning my controller wouldn’t vibrate much or if at all. When my controller vibrates it’s because there’s heavy movement or objects.

In this tuning my controllers always vibrating.

It’s just like that now.

People who never hyper love this update because they don’t have to deal with people who learned the hyper bounce.

Sucks they took it out. Took 8 months to actually develop an effective hyper bounce.

But it is what it is…

1 Like
#1400

Don’t think they care.

I remember TDM had maybe over 1k responses to the 4v4 parties of 2, in less than 2-3 weeks.

Pretty much gave us the middle finger & left us to complain in that forum until people either left entirely or accepted it & continued to play.

I can only suggest to stop playing.

Yeah it’s hard to stop playing, but maybe it’ll bring awareness.

As far as I’m concerned, they know there’s gears of war loyalist who will play whatever has gears in the title & whoevers in charge is abusing that privilege. For what reasons ? Who knows.

I feel like this post is only to keep us deep in a black hole.

1 Like
#1401

I’m sorry but have people just read the headline of his video clip and not actually watched it?

He states in the video that he doesn’t want to revert. People have watched that video and clung onto only the bits that suit their argument. He states it hasn’t narrowed the skill gap and many other positives. His main gripe was the delay. He was far from totally negative about it. You even had people in this thread linking to GGZIIs YouTube video as justification for why people hated it, purely I’m sure because the title made it sound like he hated it, when he doesn’t and states it’s the most fun two weeks playing the game he had in ages.

They did on the dev stream, they confirmed this was the last big tuning they would do.

Yeah there’s a lot of negative feedback and lots of posts across this forum but so much of it is the same few people stating their point over and over. Hopefully they will revert it and you can go back to finding other excuses and reasons why this dull pvp game has no players. Personally I think people need to look for the reason why this pvp game is dead and dying and not be so obsessed about it being the tuning.

The whole pvp experience needs an overhaul away from what we have because it’s not worth the continued investment for the numbers playing it.

#1402

I already uninstalled it

I find that most of the people who are praising this tuning aren’t people who think that wall bouncing now “feels better”. They’re the people who hate wall bouncing because they either can’t do it or can’t hit the people who can. These people are praising the tuning because they’re now having the game help them against better players.

4 Likes
#1403

This is all being taken a bit out of context. I only really stated it bc some people are claiming their walking through mud. I feel like someone who doesn’t hyper would feel it even more and I don’t.

I’m also not trying to make these posts a, “I love this update bc I hate hypers”. Not even close. If I’m on my A game I can take out hypers before and after the update. It’s hell but possible. I’m almost 38 with a family and I’ve been playing less and less. I don’t have the reaction time nor actual time to learn something like hyper bouncing but I’m not going to shun people who do. The point I was trying to make is that I still see my opponents hyper bouncing just as fast as they used to. Now, maybe, as you stated, you feel like your controller is less sensitive. Maybe there is a different extreme I can’t see. It’s just that there is so much complaining about it when I’m literally seeing zero change in gameplay from my opponents that it feels unwarranted.

1 Like
#1404

In his original videos like 1-2 months ago he condemns the tuning.

Now he has no choice but to like it because he’s sponsored.

He even won the last pro tournament.

If you look at his later videos he gives an honest opinion.

I’ve attached it in my response above & even linked it to the exact time.

Of course him bashing TC now won’t do anything & they could easily not sponsor him for such behavior.

If you notice his tone, it’s not exciting, like it once was.

2 Likes
#1405

I don’t “hyper bounce” and I hate the tuning too. it’s more than that

It feels like I’m fighting the mechanics/character just as much as the enemy players I’m facing off against. 16 months of muscle memory and experience is thrown out the window. What was once a smooth, responsive game is now a clunky mess.

The delays are probably the worst part. It’s been weeks and I’m still expecting shots to come out of my Gnasher when they don’t. having mechanics regress after years of progress is bad game design.

TC, revert this horrible decision and next time, have actual community input about such large sweeping changes. Getting the thumbs up from 10 people in the Comp scene is exclusionary

3 Likes
#1406

Just change the title of the OP to: “The Big Tuning Thread We Won’t Change No Matter How Much You Complain”

P.S. Revert the tuning.

5 Likes