The Big Tuning Thread

Gears 3 pvp was balanced and you could use the sawnoff and that was a useful additional competing weapon because it had its own drawbacks and strategy. In contrast there was literally no reason to invent the lancer GL because it doesn’t play differently than the lancer. In gears 3 the retro lancer was punishing with its recoil making it rewarding if you had a lot of skill handling it (competitive with gnasher). You could choose lancer, retro lancer or gnasher and still help your team win.

TC are happy with their mainstream Fortnite aesthetic which casts a wide sales net (volume of sales they call it) and they cannot imagine anything loyal to the gears themes, worldbuilding or atmosphere. Even something as simple as the Onyx Guard character skin from gears 3 was butchered and ruined. Despite them having access to the original 3d skins.

You have to get beyond fed up, and start devving your own games. Nobody is that ambitious though when you look at the gaming demographic as a whole. This was reflected in GamerGate - everyone still has a consumer mindset, even after the worst kinds of dramas and complaints.

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I also said that it’s probably not best to use a clip from a game that’s a decade old on a laggy host to support a claim about a bad animation.

It being a laggy host doesn’t matter because Reaxion was host in that clip and he’s the player I kill lol. I used the GoW3 clip for several reasons, first I want to show that this isn’t something new or exclusive to 4 & 5. I wanted to show that it could be done in the worst conditions so your ping is not as meaningful as some would claim, I definitely had like 160-180 ping in that clip. I also believe that Gow3 had these shots about as well balanced as they’ve ever been, it was harder to get kills with them yet despite that, things like that clip still happen. In Gow4/5, that’s a very routine kill that happens constantly.

I also said that you can be triggered all you want, if you want to stand on a wall trying to time your shot, if you didn’t time your shot well enough and you lose as a result then that’s your fault for standing there.

I just don’t believe that standing still and aiming where you know someone is going to be should be the most difficult and worst option. It’s incredibly unbalanced.

Would you try sniping somebody who is charging a Tbow at you? You’ll have to time it perfectly and chances are you’re gonna lose. It’d be your fault if you lost for trying something stupid.

I’m not even being funny, a sniper shouldn’t be consistently losing a long range fight to a Tbow lol. Like if bow is in connectors on canals and you’re highside block with snipe, you should win that most of the time.

You’re fine with RXN shots but you don’t like the Up A or wraparound?

Absolutely — this isn’t possible but ideally I’d delete wraps and up-as, and leave reaxion shots. Obviously they’re all basically the same shot with variations on shot timing and camera position, but they’re used in different situations and their uses in these situations are what I don’t like.

You don’t typically get a chunk with a reaxion shot, it’s not an ‘All or Nothing’ play like a wrapshot or Up-A is. If you wrap shot someone and don’t kill them, or Up-A someone and don’t kill them, you’ve failed lol and you’re probably dead. How many times have you tried to wrap shot someone, they eat the shot kill you and you get like 80%? That’s not a good encounter for anyone, it’s not very skillful and it’s pretty random. It’s not just that I don’t like dying to it, I don’t like it being in the game itself because it cuts down on the number of actual fights you get.

A lot of reaxion shots are done defensively or for chip damage, for instance here’s some clips.

So at 1:24 I reaxion shot atmo, as you can tell even I didn’t think I was getting the kill. I shoot him, turn, start to roadie run like I’m going to swing my screen and he just dies so I turn back. A few seconds later I miss roll into secondary, immediately recover and reaxion at ribs, this is what I mean by a defensive/chip damage shot and this is what I like about the shot. Now, I don’t actually hit the shot lol but the idea is there — and after this I just run at him and kill him in an animation because I wanted the clip. These are the kind of real world examples where I’m just playing the game not thinking about trying to get a specific kind of kill.

Example from Gow4;

This is by far the most typical reaxion shot that I go for, and that I use to get kills with and I’m sure it’s the same for everyone else. You’re using it as a way of getting chip damage, you’re not trying to just immediately end the fight it’s not all or nothing — it’s just another way of pushing a player who’s holding right hand. This is fine, this is fun — this is still very present in the game today and it’s good.

Here’s an example from like 5 minutes ago

The first kill is probably the kind of reaxion shot you’re thinking about — I’m not a massive fan of that being in the game, but it’s by far the least annoying animation kill because whenever you do that to someone you’re doing it in an actual fight with them as opposed to just seeing someone on a cover and wrap shotting them, and they’re also way more likely to be moving and fighting back against you. The next kill after that is another example of doing the shot for chip damage, working well to this day like 10 years later.

I’ve explained numerous times thats its not.

I’ve won against stacks playing by solo and I’ve lost against solos on a stack. Every game is different and will play differently. Just because you re on a stacked team doesn’t mean you are gonna win.

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Couldn’t make it farther than that

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TC have done some really awesome stuff like bringing back Skorge and Cyclops. Epic failed massively at this in Gears 3.

They also brought us Palace Guard, Karn, Armoured Kantus and Bolter all as playable characters. Everyone has been asking for them since Gears 3 but Epic didn’t listen at the time. Fans asked for these characters in Gears 4 and in the end we got all of them spread from Gears 4 to Gears 5.

Let’s just hope they listen over this new tuning.

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I’m not saying they haven’t done stuff. They have.but skins don’t matter when you aren’t enjoying the tuning

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Yeah skins really do mean ■■■■ all when the games crap

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Me reading the thread…

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Came across this video randomly and couldn’t stop laughing top tier content right here

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lolol, that’s some good asmr if I ever did see some… totally joking… totally… not like I uninstalled or anything…

I do miss it … if only… :pensive:

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Itse not called lying , its called not telling whole truth , there is More player for little while becouse game is free on live gold , but that wont last.

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Earlier in this post @Civilize_85ers mentioned Facebook latam and I had give some examples of some similar sub communities I’ve seen within the gears community that have been left out.

I came to the realization earlier when I was thinking about how such a huge portion of players in gears 5 are a part of the Latin community yet they don’t have any support in the forums.

They shut any post written in Spanish down and close their thread and say the forums don’t support any other language. Surprises me they still don’t have any support in the forums for that. In stream I know they bring on people that talk in Spanish but really to speak about the changes in place and not so much about opinions…

Just thought ide point that out there, so much of the community doesn’t even have a voice or proper place to be recognized for their voice. TC tells people to go to socials to go to the forums, Dana oversees everything with all these tools to get general sentiment yet how when so many people are left out. What are your thoughts?

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This is the exact kind of stuff that the new tuning has promoted. My friend @TC_Dave was playing and he couldn’t even throw a nade over cover.

He raged shortly after this and uninstalled gears 5. New tuning? More like BROKEN

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The delays on this game are dumb. Literally nothing is fixed on this tuning.

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and what do you know, bunch of these people do not agree with TC but just shrug their shoulders and keep playing.

Problem i’d say.

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So I’m gonna write down my thoughts after 5 games to igjt with my buddy. I said I’d only play if someone came on.

The core issues with this game remain. One guy had ping rotating between 60 and 700…he eventually left the game.

Few games you had the one team advantage feing going on.

You still are killed on the same manners as before. Wrap shots, up a slides, back a pop shots, crossing from lancers and whatnot. I was killed a few times by people and you would think I moved and fired my gun but nope. Zero animation on there part and I was dead. So the idea you can now see how you die is wrong.

Weapons…you can tell the lancer is a little weaker. Torque is a little slower, shotguns seem the same.

Movement…ugh .it’s like claymation in a sense. I feel my controller struggling against this movement a lot. Whether it be roadie running, wall bouncing, slides, strafe, looking over a way or just turning your character. I stick to everything still.

I had my moments where I could slide around cover to cover but it still felt like I had someone holding me back with a rope.

I’d say really the lancer and bow need to be reverted back. Speed needs to revert and maybe leave the rest?

Hammerburst is worthless now.

But overall the game feels sluggish. How anyone can say this is better is beyond me. It’s not.

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Every time I play this game it just gets worse and worse .
You’re not even killed by skill no more is literally hard aim and you get a kill from 10feet away or your gnasher can down a player from the same distance you would use a lancer to down someone .

You get pulled back off cover so you get hit .same when you get downed in cover it drags you out of cover so the player can kill you .

It’s literally at tuning for silver players .
I’ve been nerfed for thinking fast and smart while being accurate with shots .
To pressing buttons , feeling like a snail with a shotgun which is so inconsistent ,it’s beyond believe.
And the aim assist haha it’s even worse .Itseems stronger now because you move so slow .

You’ve added all this delays yet a up a is so fast ?? It’s mind blowing how that aint been recognised.

Snails with shotguns - that’s gears 5 in a nutshell

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It’s as simple as not turning it on. Personally I haven’t touched the game since the update. Recommend everyone do the same.

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Yeah I was quoting what Dana said in their developer stream. The fact that the game is free-to-play in February for Xbox Gold tells me the exact opposite. Reeks of desperation to bring in players to justify their ill-conceived choices. TC has been trying to push their “direction” of the game for some time at this point. Such factors or those decisions include the damage indicator, eliminations, and numerous others. They also have a tendency to dismiss claims against changes the studio makes almost condescendingly.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the Developer Tuning playlist was simply a vehicle for TC to make the changes that they were receiving a lot of flak on. By slowly introducing it and claiming there was good player feedback they are able to instill the changes that they want rather than the players. Anybody who played this tuning knows that there was not a ton of players opting for the playlist and that there is no formal way of collecting player feedback once they’ve played. If TC were actually interested in any sort of truth or data they would insert a survey in game for players exiting the playlist for the first time. Then they could proceed to show as the data that justifies their decisions.

Rather than implementing this bit of data collection they simply fabricate whatever claims they need to move the pendulum in the direction they want it to go. The only time this backfires is when players truly quit the game and the player-count drops to levels that they need to explain to their superiors. After all, less players equals less microtransactions.

I implore anyone that dislikes the direction the game has been taken to stop playing and attempting to adapt to the new tuning. They take that data of you playing and use it to justify that you are pleased with the update. Alternatively, I implore TC to stop hiding under the guise of transparency when they are anything but transparent. Implement a legitimate way to harvest feedback and show us the data that it yields. If there is anything that people should have learned over the last several years is not to believe anything until you see the data.

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Lol now this forum is resorting to conspiracy theories

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