Hey man, i’m sorry I am about to head to work.
I will take a look when i’m home. 
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the perceived issue is the fact you get paired with another squad of 2 noobs or 2 solo randoms
this is an issue as the current ranking system is heavily focused on w/l ratio
in koth, going solo or duo is literal suicide
matchmaking is still the enemy
there’s plenty of people that play public right
you’re also confusing meta against what should be done to have a fun game.
in earlier patches, pulling out the gnasher against a stack of 5 beaming was the most idiotic thing to do, still a lot of good players literally refused to pull out theirs
we could argue for days about how gears should be played, its identity and stuff like that
but meta changes with weapon tuning
playing public right means using whatever it is at your disposal to win the match
of course poor mentality starts spouting nonsense like skill gap, catering to noobs only because crack bouncers couldn’t keep up against a counter
sadly this game has too many issues even before its gunplay that’s making everyone’s experience a living hell
TC is literally trying to put out as many fires as they can but this game really launched in a terrible state they basically need to rewrite it almost from scratch
and they’re still missing shots just like this stupid ranking system and 10 year old ideas of gamemodes
Your trying to use logic despite the fact you are yet too cover the original dispute.
It’s ok.
Try again.
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Feels like there’s quite a few points to respond to, i’ll start with the newest and work backwards.
I agree but I genuinely do not believe that this a fault of the ranking system, I believe it’s an issue caused by what I feel is a lower population than people believe that there is. Most matches were never 5 stack vs 5 stack anyway, there was almost always at least 1 random player in the lobby which meant that at least 1 team had a communication breakdown at some level. This is why I have always insisted that public means nothing because it’s never a truly competitive experience, as soon as 1 team has a breakdown in communication at any point, the whole match means nothing. Based on that I DO see the point as to why players want 5 stacks but I would suggest to those players to look into playing GameBattles (GB) if they want a true competitive experience as the matchmade aspect of Gears is unable to support the style of play that they are seeking. You might disagree with what I say but I feel like that’s a totally fair and logical suggestion. GB literally is REAL competitive at a non LAN level. (It’s also really fun and enoucrages proper teamwork).
I can recognise this but I must admit that it’s not something I personally have ever had issue with as it’s very rare I play KOTH. In the short time where TDM was not in Ranked I did play it and I found myself MVP most of the time whilst playing solo. I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s just not something I can comment on fairly.
100%!
There isn’t and I’m not
Playing it “right” if based from a casual playstyle will always be subjective and can’t be answered, so the only way to look at those comments are from a competitive view. I have not been to eSports, I have played GB. GB is NOTHING like ANY public match that I have ever played.
GB is insanely fast paced and has a completely different dyamic. Nobody plays this way, whether a “Lancer Player” or a “Gnasher Player”. Yes there’s people who use both but that’s still not ever in the same way you’d find a competitive player playing.
Public always has been and always will be… Casual. This includes the way I play, I don’t play “proper Gears” so don’t misunderstand me. BUT I have played proper Gears whilst playing GB and I understand the difference from experience.
For a moment take a look at this new tuning we have, this was built by a former professional player. That person understand what “proper Gears” is.
It does change each time but that’s not ideal, TC are trying to get the tuning in a place whereby every weapon works properly in it’s intended situation. They have a “meta” for how the overal game should feel and play. That’s very likely how professional players play. Will public ever feel like that? No not at all, but it’s being tuned in a way to encourage it.
No it doesn’t, that’s what competitive is. Public is casual.
I genuinely sighed when I read this. The skill gap WAS reduced with rifles, Ryan even stated as much before he left. Catering to noobs. They did and I don’t know how anybody can argue against that? Bouncers can’t compete against a counter. It was nothing to do with not being able to bounce around, it was a problem because you couldn’t move from 1 piece of cover to another on the old tuning.
This this this this this this this. Ask yourself why they launched in such a bad state after getting extremely positive feedback after the Gears 4 2.8 beta tuning. They made huge changes to ruin that, what was the mindset behind doing so? Was it new players on GamePass?
Unfortunately we’ve now got a good ranking system in place that has been introduced way too late into the game’s life, therefore there’s not enough of a population to properly utilise a ranking system like this. Ideally it’s looking for players of a similar skill level to you, unfortunately there’s players outside of the US who routinely experience matchmaking times in excess of 1 hour. To try and remedy this TC were essentially forced to adjust the matchmaking perameters to +/- 2 ranks, rather than the ideal +/- 1 rank. So yes, it is a shame that a Gold player could be teamed with a Bronze for example. You need to look at the flipside of that though (I don’t know your rank, i’m using Gold as a complete guess and example). Let’s say you’re Gold. How do you think a teammate would feel if they’re Diamond and see a Gold on their team? It doesn’t mean you don’t have a brain, it just means you’d be at a lower skill level than that player. This isn’t an issue caused by having a maximum squad of 2, it’s population. Am I saying that sometimes you don’t get awful teammates? No not at all, some of my teammates are utterly stupid.
Playing as a team of course you don’t have that problem and I do see that aspect, but if you were playing as a 5 man stack against another team, I can confidently say that Gears wasn’t always able to matchmake you against another stack every single time, there would be times where the other team would have a random. How much do you think that team would stuggle against your 5 stack as a result of matchmaking potentially giving them a drip to play with?
Random solo players usually are bad though and I will accept that! But why are they so bad? I genuinely believe that this new tuning has made the game too difficult for them, thus highlighting just how easy it used to be.
As for what you want me to take a look at, I have nothing else from you dude sorry?
Been looking forward to replying to this the entire time that I have been typing here.
Are you trying to look cool on a Forum by acting smart? You’re not smart, you can’t even spell basic words such as “you’re”. (In before autocorrect did it)… TWICE LOL. In order to look smart you at very least need to be able to pretend that you are.
I’m not trying to do anything, I am using logic to support my own point because you’re yet to build up enough brain performance to make a point of your own in order for me to counter it. At this stage you’re just discussing my points with me which is kind of you.
I was interested in your skill level so I decided to take a look at your DVR, after I finished laughing I was able to wipe the tears from my eyes and read the scoreboard on 2 of your screenshots whereby you finished a solid 3rd each time. Not sure the reason this was screenshot but i’m assuming it was a matter of pride from not finishing bottom for a change?
I wasn’t going to comment on the fact that you screenshot a double Gnasher killfeed but I found it too funny not to.
I also watched a clip that you made too, for the longest time I thought that you might have been spectating a bot but when you finally got a kill at the end I was able to see that it was actually you, if that’s your skill level then I won’t be taking any comments from you seriously beyond this point. I’m out of your league.
I know that what I am saying is correct as I have been talking to a developer in private in relation to this new weapon and movement tuning and I know that a lot of the changes that have been made are based on my exact feedback.
Stop crying because you can’t do anything anymore since you can’t have a 5 man stack carry you to wins that you wouldn’t earn without them.
Make a proper comment (if you can) and i’ll respond to you properly, until then i’m done wasting my time on you. You deserved this type of response from me.
Try again.
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True and its a massive shame. Keeping this directly related to TDM though do you understand the problem with not being able to stack in a system based on winning to achieve masters rank? Especially in a team based mode. The previous system seemingly punished stacks as you wouldnt get much of a point gain for a win, but if you lost the point loss would be devastating.
I’ve literally yo-yo’d between onyx and gold all weekend and only came across 1 diamond player the whole time playing! 1 guy I played with was onyx and he literally ran away from battles to hide in the spawn. Zero team support whatsoever and his response at the end was ‘look at my stats’. Bottom of the leaderboard but with a positive k/d. So the rest of us had played the full game as pretty much 3v4 at a constant disadvantage. The ranked system isn’t rewarding skill unless your skilled enough to carry the whole team most games which shouldn’t have to be the case in a team based mode! I cant go out there and play perfectly every single game, some games im bottom of the leaderboard but at least I’ve tried and kept my eyes on teammates and supported where I can!
Fair comment and I agree it couldn’t. But why should a stack be punished for having the brains to make a team to go into a team based mode? But bringing it right back to basics why should I be restricted from just playing with friends and enjoying conquering the ranked system together in a team based mode?
They would struggle and it could be seen as unfair by them due to the rubbish matchmaking system and player population. But might make them think to try to make friends and team up in order to progress. I mentioned this in the earlier post but even Dana said in last weeks stream most people aren’t going to hit masters unless they team up to get there. The others which do hit masters are more likely to be some of the best players in the world. Tbh mate at this point I’m not bothered whether its 4v4 or 5v5, I want to stand a chance at hitting masters by setting up as a team. I dont want to have to sit and grind the life out of FFA by myself when I could be having a much more fun experience playing with friends. Those that are solo, why not play FFA thats what its there for?! Also if your a half decent player its not hard to be recognised by other players for that. I mustve made somewhere between 60-80 XBL friends through playing TDM only since G5 launched. Since TDM was removed and now readded in this format i’m lucky if i see maybe 5-10 of them play anymore. TC just decide to mess with the TDM community presumably because Koth is more popular and drive away more of their fanbase. I’m honestly not sure why I’m still here, its the only mode I’ve properly enjoyed playing since launch and now the fun/social aspect of it has been ripped out.
This is true. I’m still missing shots left right and centre now lol. Although I still feel that the gnasher/servers need a little work, can find myself fire a shot directly at someone’s body and only hit 1 pellet lol. I am enjoying the changes though theres certainly a larger skill gap.
See the @ on your screenshot mate. Although it feels like old news now you may aswell just reply to this 
Sorry I didn’t see this!
You’re right, bringing up professionals is stupid, it was this other dude who brought them up initially and I just went with it. I agree with you though, discussing professional players alongside a TDM post is stupid. I’d not have done this by choice.
I don’t think people “left”, I think Gears has taken too long to get into a state that’s considered “good”. I think people have been leaving in large amounts for along time. I KNOW that a lot of people who played TDM moved to KOTH, so they’re not truly gone and they’ll probably repopulate TDM eventually because TDM and KOTH are both casual modes.
I understand that you don’t and I want to say again, I LIKE TDM! I’m not an outsider looking in, this is usually my “go to” mode. The problem is that a lot of people DO just do that.
Hence why I said that in my very first comment on here. Certaiin people ruining good things for everyone else. As much as this is a shame for people who don’t abuse the ability to 5 man, it was needed due to the people who did.
That’s fine, that’s what it’s for. I’m not somebody who says that the Lancer should never be used.
Gears 4 I wanted to make a point to people who claimed that you need a 5 man Lancer team to obtain Diamond 5 in TDM. I attempted to make the point in 1 of the seasons to solo my way to Diamond 5 without using my Lancer once. I’ll admit that I didn’t manage this, HOWEVER I did manage Diamond 4 92% progress. I was only 8% off managing to do this by myself. If I could do that myself then had I had just 1 other person with my then surely I would have hit Diamond 5 just fine.
Masters / Diamond 5 should be the best players in those ranks, not players who got carried there. This is a solo ranking, you should be able to increase your own rank by yourself, if not then it should be a team rank which we don’t have.
I wanted to reply to your previous comment first, having just got to this I feel like I have already answered this. No I honestly don’t underdstand the problem and let me give you an example as to why, it’s quite an appropriate example given we’ve been discussing random teammates.
When you’ve had a random teammate on your team we’ve all experienced it now whereby that player is the last player left alive against 1 or more opponents.
Just by watching them you can get a feeling of whether they’re good or terrible and you get a gut feeling of whether they might pull off the clutch to win for your team or whether they’re a lost cause. Whilst I TOTALLY see your point to this about if they’re bad and make you lose then why should YOU lose rank progress, let me flip that to you. If that player is a lost cause and hopeless causing you to lose the round then why should that player be rewarded overall just because they play with a squad who can pull them up through the ranks? That player isn’t a helpful teammate and is a liability who can’t be relied upon. That player should not have a Masters rank, they should earn it themself. Whilst it may be a team based mode, they are not a good team player and it’s a solo rank.
As it stands now winning only becomes vital once you reach Onyx (if you want to progress). Again, I do see your point in terms of how randoms can cause you to lose. Sometimes it doesn’t matter how hard you carry you’re going to lose because of a VERY bad teammate and this is why i’d like to see TC add a life pool that’s per player and not per team, for example every player has 4 lives per round. That 1 change would remove the issue you seem to be facing with 2 player squads as a bad player couldn’t drain away your team’s overall life pool.
As I have explained in this thread already, because players would make 5 man stacks and abuse rifles which made the game very unenjoyable for other players on the other team. Had this not happened then this change likely wouldn’t have happened. Those players are to blame for this.
Can I ask why you don’t build a team and face off against other like-minded players in scrims or something? Look into building a team and going to an event to actually compete for a prize rather than a meaningless public rank. I don’t think GB is available for Gears 5 now (I could be wrong) but that style of play sounds exactly like what you’re hoping to get from public, but public Gears just isn’t populated enough.
I feel like i’ve already answered the rest of what you said in that paragraph.
This is something TC are aware of (Gnasher) and are testing something very soon in a Dev Beta playlist.
Thank you for being able to construct a proper post. I have to go now but if you reply i’ll check back tomorrow. Have a good day.
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No just waiting for you still…
it cannot be anything else.
I play a lot of ranked matches and there’s always more than one liability without (good) stacks.
of course I’m not going to talk about tdm because is less popular than koth and from my extended knowledge of the playerbase, the most skillful players roam in koth
still there’s a jump to make towards something most couldn’t care less about
if tc would deliver a decently balanced matchmaking and ranking system, everyone will be happy
I take you haven’t played pubs lately, it’s at its worse and I’ve never seen it like this, literally a new low even for g5
main culprits are matchmaking and the new ranking system allowing stuff that’s absurd for today’s standards
more in general, I know a lot of people and their points are irritating, but try to understand the frustration they come from.
most of them just want to play a good game with their friends, rank themselves to get a nice skin and a little ego boost after typing gg ez in chat and carry on with their life.
While they still have the option to skip everything altogether and stop playing gears, they still won’t do it.
despite their indomitable will to keep playing this game, they get treated like garbage and find themselves in frustrating matches where people is thrown in them at random creating an insufferable environment for everyone.
depends on your rank tbh, playing at the very start of the season, the competition is not that much as most players stack and get out of bronze/silver pretty fast
once you get to onyx and above there’s only stacks of good players that want to get/keep their masters rank so it’s impossible to not play a sweat match
don’t always jump into debates on this lancer style vs gnasher style stuff
you’re going to waste your time talking against someone that may fit my description above.
fault still lies in the matchmaking
if anyone thinks they’re a lancer player, let them be. they’ll never get out silver ranks at best and possibly they’ll be happy like that
but if this faulty matchmaking keeps placing them in the same lobby with/against players that have a better understanding of the game mechanics, that’s exactly where these bs discussion start
I strongly believe that anyone with 2 brain cells could’ve avoided the garbage gunplay we had
it’s easy to say what you said now as a former competitive player made this tuning
but if you were there back in the epic games forums days, there was plenty of threads about the x factor on gnasher spread
hell, gears 2 launched with a totally random gnasher
I’m actually happy now as TC is showing some cojones in removing a lot of garbage people used to call ‘skills’ or ‘the best gnasher’ in former games
if something is effective given the situation, it should be applied.
this is the base for anything that places 2 opponents against each other, whether it’s a shooter or another genre
you stress the casual vs gb idea and clearly you can’t see past this.
personally, and almost everyone I know spanning across multiple versus games, adapt to the situation they’re in
if I face someone that’s unable to get past my lancer, why would I switch weapon?
if I face someone that’s unable to win a gnasher fight against me, why would I switch strategy?
this applies to everything you could think of, whether it’s pubs, gb or the world finals
if we were to face each other and I notice I could exploit something against you, why am I not supposed to do that?because we’re not playing GB?nonsense
possibly but this is like the best excuse we came with to somewhat justify the terrible game we have
keep in mind developers try new approaches and they may end messing stuff up.
gears has never been cod that proposed the same identical game with a different skin everyday.
gears changed with every single installment, whether it’s been polishing or complete overhaul of some mechanic.
so, no, I don’t agree they had a view of how this game should’ve been played and that was horrible despite the bait on gamepass players that have never been there if not for the 2$ month
editing my post as I totally missed this piece
no no no no no no
if anything, the new ranking system introduced more problems than it tries to solve.
the old one was better than the new at actually ranking people according to their performance and was way faster in getting people closer to the rank they deserved thanks to placement matches.
sadly, a lot was hidden to the player thus created the perception of unfairness especially because the post match screen was an absolute mess and manual correction to the score to let players not lose points on a win was always ready to come back and bite them in the cheeks as soon as they’d lose a match.
with the new one, while we have a dumbed down chart of items justifying the post match score, the main reason on why a player occupies a rank, is win/loss: you win you rank up, you lose you go down
this one also allow everyone to reach the highest rank provided they keep stacking more points than they lose.
hypothetically, you can win 60000 matches worth 1 point and still get to the top rank.
with the old system, there were more divisions still the number of masters players was fixed so not everyone could stay there consistently: for someone ranking up to masters, someone else was going back to diamond 3
the graph representing the old distribution was a bell curve.
now, while the majority of players will still be around silver/gold, there’s nothing to prevent them ranking up if not for other players gatekeeping them
the low population numbers becomes more of an issue as you may face the same masters keeping you down or some people could rank up just by avoiding them
in a w/l lottery, getting in a decent team, on par with your current ratings is mandatory
tdm is experiencing the worst of it as players are not allowed to stack and move the odds in their favor
so as I’ve said earlier, they are frustrated by the fact the matchmaking can’t balance
You said all of that and then make our point for us when you say things like this
Your rank is your rank you should be able to raise it by yourself. You say that your not allow to stack to move the odds in your favor and give you an advantage. Sounds like you want a team rank not a true skill rank.
The reason that the matchmaking gets so unbalance is because people insist on making teams out of a mix of high and low ranked players which confuses the ranking system. People abused the system to gain an advantage to get easy wins so this is what we get.
I for one agree with this change and think that all ranked playlists should be this way for this game. Everyone has complained about every ranking system scince gears 4 but have failed to realize that they are part of the problem insisting that they have to be able to stack in a team to get an individual master or diamond rank.
If you must have a team then KOTH still let’s you stack and from the general consensus of the community is where all the real skilled players play and TDM is for scrubs.
I hope they keep it this way because the team’s have been much more balanced for the majority of player’s.
Imagine this. Gears 6 launches with all ranked playlists with this restriction. Everyone floods in to play who usually enjoy playing with friends. How long will they last???
I will reply when I find the time lol
Toxic much? I was a (mostly) solo TDM player and the last Op and made it a little ways past Gold. Straight into Masters actually. I never cared so much about stacks, I just figure that comes with the territory. What I did care about was the poor server quality and the terrible spawns (spawn swapping just didn’t seem like a thing on some maps). This most recent change has absolutely ruined TDM by making it significantly more campy.
It is what it is.
All we can do is get posts like this with our feedback on why we dislike the current tdm settings and hopefully a few quote voices become a large crowd of voices that TC can hear.
The 2 cap is making the game for me less enjoyable as I can’t even play with friends. I’m restricted too picking one friend a night too okay with. On top of that I then have too pray too god the two people I’m paired with have a level of understanding on the game that allows for team play and cross lancer rather than run in like headless chicken and drain all the teams lives away.
So currently TDM ranked achieving masters is near enough impossible whilst you have too win 3 games after one loss because of your teammate.
It is a team based game so any argument of solo performance is irrelevant. You need to be a good team member in your team and at the end of the day it’s about winning and helping get as much damage as possible on every team kill.
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Not sure what your point is but no mode should restrict team play other than free for all. Solo players that cry about that are idiots. FFA was literally created for those players but they refuse to play it and instead want to ruin everyone’s else experience.
You literally can rank up on loses it’s like taking candy from a baby. It’s not fair every other mode is harder to rank up in. I bet you can’t get master in tdm now lol
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I come close to master in TDM & always some stupid teammate…
Never fails
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According to tonight’s stream there’s an equal amount of people against reverting back to stacks… 
I tried guys… I tried.
I’d say that’s bogus and I don’t believe them but there’s quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that proves the contrary in multiple threads. I mean, whatever. I’ve been playing Gears 5 about nonstop through the seasons and ever since this update came to light I’ve come to a sudden and dire stop. I dabble around the game for maybe 10 minutes every few days or so but until they revert this sh** back to the way it was i dont really see myself playing it a lot more as is. Ive been actually grouping up with friends in other games. You know. More than one person.
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They’re full of it!!!
If you wanna play solo go play FFA.
Solo warriors need to Shut their mouth because FFA was made for them.
That’s how you know TC don’t care.
Give these morons their own mode & it’s still NOT good enough.
Whatever. Whatever. Cater to people who don’t even play your game dedicated.
What’s the point of FFA then.
This IS NOT OVER!!!
ITS NOT OVER UNTIL IM SILENCED!!!
If I’m silenced then they really don’t care & im done.
Already hit masters 3x , top 100 in all of gears 5 , probably higher if you take out all the quick play warrior stats.
Highest KD as a top player in TDM ranked. I accomplished it all.
I’ll retire my damn lancer if need be.
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Yeah I’m half tempted to just quit too. TDM has been my main since launch. I even forced myself onto Koth last night and it just isn’t for me. What’s irritating me the most is that Koth players are the main ones that are destroying TDM’s reputation. Most of the replies i got on chat last night were ‘go play koth’. I’m not sure where TC are getting their feedback but it’s most definitely not on the forums.
Were not going to get the support we need anymore as the majority of the TDM community has already gone from when it was initially removed, the others that stuck around turned to the dark side (Koth). I’ve really tried to force myself into liking gridiron but even that I don’t fully enjoy. FFA is dead because all of the solo players flood themselves into team modes then cry about stacks. Time to give up.
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