Said that perfectly. @Livo your bringing up pro’s, I don’t understand how that’s relevant in a TDM post. Why should they have a say in a game mode they don’t even play as their main. Its like me saying pro games should be a max of 2 in a stack. Were not catering the game to pro’s were supposed to be able to come on and enjoy playing through the ranked system with our friends. Although surely they would support team play in a team based mode.
The right audience need to be listened to about this. The problem is so many of the TDM players left the game when they initially removed it!!
We also don’t all sit and lancer. More lancering going on when there’s a lack of coordination between teammates and everyone’s sat in spawn desperately trying to get a bullet in for an elim. I hate using the lancer myself but I’d always pull it out to help a teammate.
Limiting the gamemode to 2 in a stack is dumb end of story and it definitely does not fit with the new ranked systems mechanics. Dana even said himself on last weeks stream that people tend to team up to hit masters unless they are one of the best players in the world. Now impossible to do on TDM lol. The only gamemode I’ve put all of my time into since G5 released ruined by TC listening to the wrong audience.
you’re biased tho
it’s not like gnasher players are doing pubs right and lancer ones are not
competitive or professional play is different
when you enter pubs, you learn the pubs meta made (from my observation) of people that play on the heat of the moment as most of the time there’s no comms in place or pre decided team strategy.
In tdm play, since there’s no objective rather than whoever kills the opponent first, the most logical, immediate thing to do is to camp with a rifle and kill whoever tries to approach first.
it’s not wrong as it’s the game mode dictating the best strategy to achieve it that’s why tdm is associated with camping.
and yes, I agree lancering is not a support role - per se
one can however support the team slayers from afar by damaging or marking their opponents
avexys told you the rest of the formula to make a viable strategy for competitive play in objective based gamemodes.
TEAM Death Match.
Now on gow this is search to find trash players who don’t play as a team & are just are bad in general at the game with a rank tease (masters rank) of here what you could get if the Goons in your team had a clue. Most frustrating game mode
Would like to play as a team with my friends who play to win using team work & have brains instead of fuds with names like hephaistos who are useless brainless losing trash bags.
stacks ruin the fun for solo players
unskilled randoms ruin the fun for solo players
TC thought forcing everyone with said morons would be more fun
instead this decision pissed everyone as a 5 strong players stack can land a serious stomp
I personally think most of the camping is because they broke the gnasher again. That is the push weapon. Squads can be a nuisance if you have potatoes on your team or those who frantically need to be MVP feeding kills but if you are able to push and take them out its rewarding verses getting in close and then shooting them point and they shrug it off and the return shot kills you. That scenario again and again and again promotes camping. Its ■■■■■■■ boring as ■■■■ when that happens but every problem with this game is TC’s fault and mishandling of the game. The game didn’t become more campy because of no squads its always had that element and it always coincides when the gnasher is broken. Most people are playing to win not be MVP every round. People walk around like that’s some badge of honor “I am almost MVP” every game." MVP dosent matter of you still lose.
I feel your pain man. I was on the cusp of onyx 2 and then like 3 games in a row everyone quit brought me down to gold 3 I am half way to onyx 2 again and I am sure something will screw it up. I dont understand why this is happening so frequently lately its almost like some are intentionally trolling.
Actually almost won the second round by myself but I cant play like that every game. If I could play with my team this wouldn’t be a problem. 2 quitters is beyond a joke and the both left after first round. The 3rd was afk most the game!!!
I know we definitely had different opinions on the state of TDM but I do completely understand where you are coming from its so bad right now if squads were a thing I would look to form one. I dont get it the mass quitters and Afkers.
I think out of tdm & koth for solo/double then it would make more sense to make koth the limited player mode.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think team modes should have limits but koth has more of an objective, capture a ring in a set location. Tdm is all about map control & making plays for power weps.
As a veteran of TDM with over 25+ hours & an average of 12 minutes a match, crossing wasn’t a problem.
Crossings in every platform. TDM wasn’t that bad. King is the worst.
I’d say with a 4v crossing isn’t that much of an issue & should allow at least to squad up.
Sucks we can’t squad up because yesterday I won 6 straight then matched with this dude who camped a corner with frags the whole game in check out…
Asked him to come help us with sniper & his response… “I’m a killer”… I was like f this dude. I guess it’s 3v4… & we lost… He called me trash because he had more elims but I had 9 downs! 4x as many as anyone in the game… All he was doing is picking on people who would go in the checkout… we camped with him but we were pinned on all sides… really frustrating to get a teammate like that… I don’t even get rewarded for downs so that sucks… but if he wasn’t so hell bent in camping random spots we could’ve won.
We matched him on our team again. Next time I see him I’m dashboarding. He’s a top player too. Maybe top when we could’ve squaded up because I don’t see how.
Regardless. If I’m going to get selfish players like that might as well let me stack.
I’m a big solo player, but only after execution was removed . LoL it still and always will get to me. I’m only here to agree that squads should have remained and not be given a cap of 2. The things is most solos have no friends, they got too much pride, or they’re thumbless and could never make use of the “LB” especially when some one on their team is at the top that usually means they are doing something right so maybe just maybe you should work along side them idk. I dont recall it being solo death match but that’s what you solos make it look like. No lie 4v4 is 10x better than 5. Execution should have been that way but you know I dont matter. Also min of 2 will enhance more competitive play. Again majority of you solo players dont take it seriously, but foreal its ranked go waste time on horde or quickmatch. You know free for all is available.
Clearly this is pointless me trying to explain any further because people refuse to see beyond what they want to see. I used to play TDM, I used to like playing with my team. Does that mean it’s best for the game? No.
To answer some of the things I just read though.
The don’t exist. I didn’t show the screenshot from the pro to support that point, I showed it to support my point about how you should always be moving and not setup camp in 1 spot all match.
Somebody who is a self proclaimed “support player” is a bad player, they’re somebody who gets carried constantly and in turn means that they need a stack of players to win them the match because they’re unreliable handling their own 1v1.
I actually said this
“There’s no such thing as a “support player” either, I cringe so much when I read that. A player should be able to support and slay, only being good at 1 of those 2 makes the player a bad player. Not being able to support makes you an unhelpful teammate, only being able to support makes you utterly useless when you’re the last player alive. Knowing when to move into a position where you should either support or slay is what makes you a good player”
Hey, i’m not going to say you’re wrong purely because i’ve not seen it and you may have done, but I am confused by it.
Not only did the 5 stack mean that players literally REFUSED to push, but with it being a max sqaud of 2 now, why is it that a squad of 2 can’t coordinate a push? The other team now only has the coordination to setup a 2 man defence? It’s still equal.
My friends and I when playing as a 2 man used to push 5 man stacks, by the sounds of it you’re just getting unlucky with unskilled teammates who can’t push in general, likely because they’ve never had practice as a result of how much the old tuning used to help them. They don’t feel confident anymore. I don’t believe that’s anything to do with the max squad size, I believe that’s down to player skill, or lack of.
Difference being that Wall Bouncing was unintended back in 2006 due to Gears initially being a single player only game with MP being added very close to launch. EPIC noticed the skill in it and have polished it ever since (TC taking over with Gears 4).
If Lancering was meant to be the primary way to get kills on Gears in MP then EPIC would have done something to reflect that between Gears 1-3 but they didn’t, also if this wasn’t the case then TC wouldn’t now be reverting it back to it’s intended state. They’ve done this to restore the skill gap. You can take what you want from that.
Yes I am, but I am also right.
I am biased towards skillful play and TC’s recent statements seem to be heavily supporting things I say, just read their recent What’s Up articles etc. They’re returning the skill gap into the game. I’m biased against bad players being able to win because the game is helping them.
You’re right that NOBODY plays public properly, you really are however if we’re looking at this as Gnasher v Lancer playstyle, 1 is fast paced and action whereas the other brings the game to a crawl. TC wouldn’t have revised this if they hadn’t seen this issue.
To clarify to everyone, I never once said that “support” isn’t a role, I said that “support players don’t exist”. Support and Slaying are both roles that ANY GOOD PLAYER should have the ability to switch between in any given moment, being purely a support player translates to “I can’t win an encounter, I need to get carried whilst I stay safe away from the action and spray”.
Its far from equal, bring players with or without a brain into the equation. Example a game on checkout the other night. Other team has the brains to stack on sniper then the 4 of them set up camp in spawn. We have 2 players with no brain, leaving me and my teammate as the only option to push. Have you tried pushing a spawn in checkout with the other team set up with lancers/sniper? I’m not saying its impossible but I know for a fact its no small feat to achieve it as we found out the hard way. Never once had situations as bad as this playing as a team in the past.
