TC please adjust Horde

Gears 5
#6

If not for his higher discount Id take Kat over Del. I like that hologram and embars can kill downed drones before I get tri shot.

I dont think Marcus and Fahz are UP so much as JD and Kait are OP with their bleed and weapon lockers full of their weapons.

Jack just has too much going for him. Passive cloak, ranged revive, stun lock, smelting bonus. Hijack dangerous targets. No one can compete with that. The CoG class is a little bit supportive but not nearly as well as Jack. The ult I think covers the entire map. It has a massive range but it’s an ULT. You can’t use it as frequently as Jacks beam. The pistol headshot gives stim is ok but not game changing. Im not even sure if it gives stim to my team mates. I know when I get it but with all the gunfire going on in horde I cant tell if it’s helping my team. Im sure in escape it’s better.

#7

Well remember that not everyone has Kat, even though most do due to Game Pass. And, like I said, people are incentivized to play as the original six for achievements and ToD medals; playing as the Reach characters, Terminator characters or COG Gear doesn’t benefit you in the same way as playing Kait/Del/Jack/Fahz/JD/Marcus.

Within that restriction of six characters, Del is the only engineer, because for some reason even though other classes can build other things, they can’t upgrade them and they can’t repair them without spending 10k. Then Jack, as you mentioned, just has too much going on for him. Not having a Jack player is essentially a willing handicap at this point. (Which I actually kind of enjoy, but that’s me.)

You might have a point about Kait/JD being OP, but honestly, I’d still sway more in favor of Fahz/Marcus being UP. There’s no reason for Fahz to not be able to get a kill off an active headshot on a drone in Elite on wave 11. At that point, why even have a sniper.

#8

Agreed. I don’t want to see JD or Kait nerfed as much as Marcus receive a buff to both offense and tank ability.

Hopefully the overhaul for Fahz addresses his issues. It can become boring/frustrating playing as him very quickly.

On the issue of boring, TC just needs to release more characters and more cards for existing characters to avoid burnout. Preferably not on a drip feed.

#9

Like I said up top don’t nerf the top characters, buff the weaker ones so they can compete. It’s not that Marcus and Fahz suck so much as JD and Kait are stronger. I think they need to scale things to the difficulty. Guns that seem powerful at beginner are utter crap on masters. Vice versa you don’t want Marcus to be tanky on masters and be unstoppable on beginner. Lord knows Marcus could use a buff or take Tank out of his job description. He goes down just as fast as everyone else. Other chars have better ways to generate stim.

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#10

Wait. Fahz is getting an overhaul? Did they announce that?

#11

They didn’t give any details. They just said

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#12

Just to add, Marcus starts off weak but if played well and levelled up can be quite beastly.

I played with a friend who had a level 16 Marcus and all cards at level 4+ and he was excellent. The key is to provide buffs to team mates. Marcus may be a “tank”, but the reality is that he’s more of a Support and can help team mates really dish out damage. Marcus needs to be a team player, more so than the other classes and his Ultimate only affects team mates who are in cover as well as being close enough.

There’s also a card that prolongs his Ultimate whoch is really useful.

#13

All characters should be able to buy sentries etc and help fix them and move fast while placing them around the map. I was del trying to build and fix things the whole time. I barely had any time to help kill enemies. It should be a team thing to help with everything not just del.

Please add Locust back! It would add so much variety plus more bosses to fight like Gears 3. That game did enemies right!

Plus we need more ammo box’s for harder difficulties. 100 ammo don’t cut it when enemies are harder to kill.

Permanente 20 waves playlist. It can be done on all maps.

I want to be able to still see and build between rounds. Instead of a black screen every wave. Make it translucent so we can see what’s going on. We can still move around but can really see anything.

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#14

Well that’s a relief. I liked playing a sniper class in Gears 4/Judgment but I couldn’t make Fahz work at all.

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#15

You can somewhat still interact with stuff during the score screen. Hold down select, whatever button brings up the map, and you can still pick up ammo, gather power from the tap or build things. You just cant see it. I grab ammo during the score screen and right after that screen ends the ammo is replenished.

#16

I found that trick out the same day it came out. My 16 year old son showed me. I probably won’t have known if it wasn’t for him.

#17

Nice trick. I didn’t know this specifically.

I knew you could move around throughout, and could do stuff after the wave ends like pick up ammo, but just before the scoreboard appears cos pressing the X button when the scoreboard is up selects something on the scoreboard.

#18

Great post and great points. I hope TC is listening.

#19

I’ll be honest and say I actually prefer Horde in Gears 5 to Gears 4. Mainly because there’s fewer waves of robots.

But, the class/character lock is still really annoying and to be honest it just feels linear, having something like the mid wave “objectives” from previous games would be nice.

I also mainly play Fahz, his gold card is useless and I also have a hard time making headshots when in Xray because the enemies are basically just big purple blobs.

I would prefer if his ultimate gave you set number of shots rather than a timer.

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#20

Yeah it’s a pretty neat trick that helps with ammo boxes. You can hold X starting before the score screen comes up, and you can still move using the A button as long as your name is selected in the results. Most waves last about long enough for an ammo box to pop up, so I hold X and run over to it to grab it before a new one respawns, and leave that for the next player.

Only problem is when you run over a weapon you didn’t want, and swap it for your equipped one by accident.

#21

I disagree with this but would like if characters were able to upgrade the limited fortifications they’re able to build. This would increase viability of teams lacking an engineer.

One of the primary roles Jack can undertake is assistant-engineer, repairing and moving fortifications more efficiently than anyone having to buy a repair tool. There’s nothing wrong with others helping move/repair things if required but they don’t need buffs in that regard unless it’s in the form of a skill card they need to equip.

Del really shouldn’t be spending much time killing anything once you’re well into a match. He has some cool combat-related cards that would be fun, but using them would detract from his utility. I guess the exception here is sentry-light, heavy weapons-focused games.

It is nice to have support as an engineer though. I played as Del with a Jack and Kat and thought the overlap in shared roles would cripple the team. It was the opposite. We had a sick base and time to do some shooting.

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#22

We totally need Locust back though. Obviously there would be a lot of functional overlap with Swarm but we could have Maulers, Kantus, Beast riders/blood mounts, and bosses like the Reaver and scaled-down Corpser.

Great excuse to bring back things like the Gorgon pistol and Boomshield (which would add viability to pistol builds and be great in Escape).

That would be a huge effort, but basic Locust characters and skins already exist so their addition wouldn’t be as involved.

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#23

This. :point_up:

I don’t really see the point in giving characters the option of buying specific fortifications if they can’t do anything with those fortifications once they’re built. I understand not giving everyone a repair tool so as to make the Engineer class unique, but teams lacking an Engineer would be viable if each character could upgrade his/her special fortifications.

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#24

I agree with some of the things mentioned in this thread. To be honest I like how each class is limited to building. If we open that part back up you’ll have gears 4 all over again. Snipers being heavies, soldiers being scouts and everyone being an engineer and etc. This format is more play your role based mode. The one thing I’m 100% against is the character lock in for a class. You should be able to pick your character with the class you want to be with the class restrictions. @TC_Octus @the-coalition

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#25

Fahz can oneshot guardians though. Ive seen some fahzes do serious damage, with longshot. And they’re getting a change even that is likely a buff.