TC laziness with Carmines

Gears 5
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#15

I think the issues comes from not perceived laziness on most people’s part…

But an expectation for more or of higher quality. A lot of that stems from this hero system, which really limits what they can do. The new Carmines are an example of how to bypass it, but also alienates 50% of the playerbase that might be focused on PvE modes–since we don’t know for sure when their PvE variations will be released–just that they will.

And granted 8 months in I expect better too. We’ve had nearly the same amount of quality skins in 4’s lifetime–but also just as many repeats and store-exclusive sets that there’s almost no point wherein everything was free in Gears 4, it was just mainly luck based.

And I’m glad they got rid of the RNG, but still–Gears 5 feels like it was lacking to begin with. Like they released it in a fresh out-of-beta state and are slowly working towards a full game months afterwards, when it should’ve been complete when it launched.

There was no reason to keep Clayton, Baird, Cole, Lizzie or others from appearing before they did–they’re just lacking and need to drip them out so that they have enough time to work on things that are actually new.

The world’s situation doesn’t help either.

TC isn’t really lazy–most of the main complaints I have had and many people have had from the beginning are going away. But I don’t think that excuses the fact that they were there to begin with.

And to OP on topic of the Carmines being lazy. I think the hero system hurts it a lot–but also design wise we got our first new variants of the Carmines ever (Would’ve been nice to see a Clayton and Lizzie skin in the bundle though). Not to mention their armors have always been the same minus the helmet. If a scratch on the kneepad is gonna drive you crazy than idk what to tell you. I never even noticed that the circle bit on the Lancer spins until recently. They seem much more individual compared to 4. In 3 all the Carmines seemed diverse and in 4 they seemed to be lacking their standard charisma. 5 brought that back. That’s what should be important. Not their kneepads or ammo pouches. They’re supposed to be barebones basic soldiers anyways. The only reason they have different helmets is to tell them apart. If they had different voices I’m sure they’d all wear the same helmet.

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#16

Also something just occurred to me. Ben is the youngest of the four, Anthony is first introduced but the third youngest. Clay is the oldest of the 4 with the second oldest being the unnamed D. Carmine. So either their parents named them alphabetically, but backwards, or the “older/ younger” thing is by 2 or 3 minutes or whatever, and all four brothers are really quadruplets.

#17

They don’t have a cannon birthday but the actions of Ben vs Anthony and Clay would suggest otherwise.

Anthony seemed like he had been a Gear for awhile, while Benjamin was fresh out of boot camp when we saw him in Gears 2. But there’s no record of Clay serving before E-Day.

Because they’re tight knit I wouldn’t put more than a 3-4 year gap between Clay and Ben. So if Clay’s the oldest at 24 during Gears 2, Ben would be 4 years younger at 18 with Ant and the 4th in the middle. Makes sense if he’s ten years younger than Marcus and Delta seeing how he even looks younger in 5 compared to them and is generally larger than even Cole. (Younger and Stronger than the Train) suggesting maybe Cole was as big as Clay in his hay-day?

But quadruplets seems unlikely to me just because of their differences in experience.

I still like my theory about Gary. But all of this Carmine speculation deserves it’s own thread.

#18

Stop f*cking lying.

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Yep. Totally different armor with battle damage that didn’t use Kim’s head at all.

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#19

Funny thing is that starting in Ultimate Edition, that’s exactly what they did. It might be the same face for all Gears, but they actually bothered to change the head. And here comes the OP saying that TC is lazy and FLAT OUT LIES ABOUT THE CARMINES HAVING DIFFERENT ARMOR.

The only thing I want fixed is the 3 (most obvious) Ben lines Anthony has. “Come on, not now!” “Eh, not again!” and “Ugh! Eww! Gross!”

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#20

He was massive in Gears 3. He and Clay were the only characters with the same body type, and were the only males to shrink stored weapons.

#21

Well yeah he was still pretty big, but Clay has always looked slightly bigger. Maybe it’s just the skin tone makes the shadows pop more giving it a different perceived depth.

#22

Feels like just looking for anything to complain about. The game is constantly updated, and they actively talk about trying to hear what we want. The Carmines are ■■■■■■■ awesome to have, and I literally laugh out loud when I get killed by one and hear something I don’t expect.

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#24

I’m very interested to see where you acquired the Carmine packs for free. Releasing characters for PVP and yet again snubbing PVE is the very definition of being lazy, not to mention their continued anti-consumer, anti-PVE stance is incredibly infuriating. So far, Gears 3 is still the best when it comes to PVE, which is what the majority of the community wants. TC trying to force everyone online is despicable, but when you’re tasked with making a ■■■■■■ GAAS title, it’s what you have to do I guess.

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#25

U must be new to gears go look at gears 1 and 2 only diffrence in carmine’s are the helmet really … did u want them to completely remake the character? If so drop 20 u get diffrent skins i personally like them

#26

Im a true fan been playing since 1 in middles school lol soooo i like 5 just cause u cant figure and adopt dont mean every true fan cant lol

#27

I went to totems and clicked on Anthony? No money, no iron? Idk what you are talking about.

Anti PVE? There has been more PVE content in gears 5 than gears 4 and 3 combined. Operation 1 had New almost weekly hives, and now has gone to a new hive every other week with earnable skins.

There has been new cards and hero abilities added every three months. There are more cards and strategies added now than all of 4 with more to come. Gears 4 only added like 15 new cards maybe a year later and I still couldn’t play with them cuz the pack system sucked. I don’t recall gears 3 doing anything for PVE post launch.

You may not like escape. You may not like the tiles,. But it’s still content and I for one love that mode and the tiles and look forward to new hives to master.

You may hate the Rate of hero’s and new cards being added. You may not like the new horde system. But there is way more things to do with it than other gears. Plus many many many people do like the new system and how it works.

I think LAZY is the wrong word. They are not trying to send out ■■■■ content or be slow on purpose. There is no business incentive to do that. They literally stated why the carmines came to PVP first and that a solution is in place to bring them to PVE. What more do you want?

If they didn’t change their model, we would have Nothing right now.

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#28

Couldn’t agree more :+1:t2:

#29

They aren’t anti-PvE, they’re just delaying the PvE appearances until later because the hero system backed them into a corner and they want to release new characters faster.

Said this before–but what or who is a true Gears fan? Is it Envi who’s spent more money than all of us combined? Ektope for getting to Re-Up 50? Maybe the Lizzie apologists? Or Kay and his obsession with the Queen?

What the hell makes a good Gears game? Who says a Gears game is good or bad or real or whatever outside of the general overall reception to the game.

I’ve never seen Gears to be all that popular on YT–and the people that used to make Gears content are still making Gears content, so…

This is true for almost every game in the franchise, if not every MP game out there…

MS or Xbox or TC have sunk too much into this IP to just ditch a 6th when they’re obviously trying to go full-steam ahead with multiple games and spinoffs.

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#30

If you didn’t pay attention to the story, Benjamin carmine used Anthony carmine’s armor in gears 2. The only thing i’d consider lazy, is their identical voice lines(death sounds/headshot quotes/etc)

#31

I don’t like this because the phrasing (Phrasing!) insinuates Benjamin crawled into New Ephyra to steal Anthony’s armor. Even though it’s not the case.

They share some, but it’s the same with lots of other characters. I recently played Keegan just for the hell of it and realized he shares some of Marcus’ old quotes, even the more iconic ones about headshots and whatnot. (Not sure about toast but I think so).

This was a thing in 4 as well as 5. So it’s not TC’s “laziness” with the Carmines exclusively, moreso their lack of attention to all of the character’s dialogue.

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#32

I don’t remember this at all. Is it said in-game or something?

#33

New Ephyra? I was under the impression it was still Ephyra at that point, unless you’re referring to the Stranded camp named New Ephyra in Gears 1/UE.

#34

I think he means his armor is modeled after Anthony’s. Which means it’s modeled after a generic COG Gear.

#35

Now I get what Buster meant. :laughing:
I thought that Txddibexr was trying to say that Ben inherited the armor somehow and that you could miss this detail if you didn’t pay attention to the story. And I thought Buster was telling him that he was making it sound like Ben went and got the armor himself. Lol. I literally got confused by his phrasing, just like Buster was pointing out. It was early morning here when I posted that. I guess my brain wasn’t fully awake yet. Haha