Stealth-Nerfs General

Gears 5
#10

@HerrKatzchen Yes, Thrill of the Hunt was previously giving Lahni 30% damage resistance without needing to be near a bleeding enemy, which was probably helping tank those melee hits. It was not our intention to make her weaker in melee combat for Op4, so I will be taking a close look at that. Thanks for the feedback.

@AmicableWall421 It’s hard for me to give context for the Mac nerfs because I was not on the PvE design team at the time. I’ve heard feedback around these changes a lot and I’ll be taking a look to see if we can do something for Mac.

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#11

@Capta1nMorgan01 not a nerf, just adjusted text to explain the logic of the card better.

The total damage resistance on this card was actually increased from 30% to 60%, so it actually received a very significant buff.

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#12

Thank you.

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#13

Awesome possum

#14

Hi @TC_MichaelAOS,

First post and English is not my first language.

I play mostly has Lahni. Since the update Lahni fall a lot easier when she received melee hits. At first I thought it was because the venom resistance went from 50% to 30% but from what I understand from your explanation it was the description of the card that was wrong. I don’t know what exactly as change but I can confirm that with my level 6 cards she is weaker to take melee hit than before the update. For example before I could take on 5 Juvies without any problem now it’s almost a certain I’m down. If I understand correctly trill of the hunt was giving 30% resistance all the time and now it’s not (Only when enemy are bleeding)? Also is it me or is the healing with trill of the hunt is slower? Do you think we could go back to how trill of the hunt use to work because without that I will have to find an another favourite character lol. It’s already hard to find player willing to fight in the venom and it will be harder off they have to pick me up constantly.

Thank you :smiley:

#15

Thanks for the feedback. If you are near a bleeding enemy, you will have the same resistance you had before. However, we don’t want her to be any less effective in melee combat, so I will see what I can do to resolve that.

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#16

Bringing Venom Resistance to 60% would solve all issues and make her almost equal to Cole.

#17

@TC_MichaelAOS thank you for the quick answer. Please let me know when you have an update.

@HerrKatzchen Good suggestion but would also like that she would be a little bit less dependent of the venom. When I have Cole in my team I mostly play support because they are so ahead of the venom. I would change short deflection to include melee hit and upgrade it to 60% at level 6. That way she would be close to Cole outside venom.

#18

So if I’m understanding this correctly Thrill of the Hunt Pre-OP 4 was always active (even without bleeding enemies nearby) and giving Lahni constant healing resistance?
So kind of like how Clayton’s Sole Survivor and Lizzie’s Sisters to the End originally worked before they were patched?

Interesting.

#19

I don’t think it was healing without bleeding enemy it was giving 30% resistance to damage without bleeding enemy.

#20

Hey,

How come you come in here, and make numerous posts defending, urh, I mean EXPLAINING, nerfs, but when multiple people tag you asking for an explanation of stim, all we hear are crickets :slight_smile: ??

BTW, speaking of stealth nerfs: Fahz’s Boltok is no longer considered a precision weapon. It was before.

#21

Ohhh, nonsense re Keegan… He had no capacity cards, he had no explosives damage cards… His bleed made him better with a boom and torgue than OTHER people with boom or torgue, that’s all… I mean, now, Lizzy is WAY more powerful with the Drop than Keegan is with a Boom - how was that “needed”?

he would have been GREAT, how he was, with the new change to ammo capacity…

Re JD: JD’s artillery is a JOKE now. With max Officers Perogative, and level 4 bleed, it does about 60K damage… about the same as two active boomshots, in my tests… Pointless…

I can’t help that this is yet another TC over-reaction… Like when Ryan was talking about hating “gnasher spamming”… So they decreased ammo capacity AND made the reload longer AND added that strange 3 round reload… Any ONE of them would have done the job, but no, they had to do all three…

Same with JD… Ohhh, JD is too powerful… So they kill his artillery, reduce explosive ammo capacity, make his GL more expensive, and kill his bleed… Ridiculous overkill, IMO

at least they left Kait alone… FOR NOW…

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#22

@TC_MichaelAOS Thanks for the quick reply.

I can understand your logic, but I want to point out how that appears to the community. By not including it in the patch notes it comes across as a stealth nerf, as TC trying to slide something in past the players, it comes across as not being transparent. Especially when some of these updates, even if it is simply to the text of the cards, seem to affect gameplay. Others, such as Cole, had changes made with no notes whatsoever and would have benefitted from at least an explanation.

I do thank you for coming here to clarify things though. Please keep up your interaction with the community, this is the transparency we’re looking for.

Ok, true. I think I might have categorized that wrong. While I stand by my earlier statement that I prefer TC buff weaker characters rather than nerf stronger ones to balance the meta, I do at least understand why Keegan and JD were nerfed. I do think the nerf was a bit much, maybe drop the bleeding down to 40% or even 30%, but 25% at level 6 is a bit much IMO.

#23

The text changes were included in the patch notes. Cole had no undocumented changes, this was a text change as well.

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#24

ok, please explain to me why

His boomshot, with the 50% original bleed, would have been less powerful than Lizzie’s current Dropshot it, with her cards and damage perk. So they are nerfing Keeganas “too powerful” and then buff other characters to ABOVE that original level??

Keegan’s salvos with 50% bleed would be about equivalent to current Lizzy salvo usage, with 50% damage…

I really fail to see HOW JD and Keegan were both nerfed at the same level, BUT JD had 50% (now 60%) damage cards ON TOP of the original bleed… Keegan didn’t have that… Why are you nerfing Keegan at all???

I don’t get it… THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL

Keegan was an “almost great” character, in Horde, he just needed capacity… So he GOT capacity… BUT THEY kill his power, hahaha… LIke W…T…F…

#25

If anyone wants the actual numbers for dummies(kind of)… 50% bleed refers to the damage done by a bleed tick, of which there are several. So a Keegan Salvo with 50% bleed would do 1,500 on a hit and 750 per bleed tick(of which there is several, I think it is 4-5). Which is 30,000 base damage and 60,000-75,000 damage on top. Meanwhile Lizzie with 50% damage perk and 100% ammo capacity gets 40 shots from a Salvo which do 2,250 damage, which is 90,000 damage total. So they would technically have been equal but Keegan doesn’t need to wait to be capable of doing damage because his bleed works without perks.

And in essence, I agree that Keegan didn’t really need any adjustments at the very least in Horde, I feel. Escape, I don’t know. He was powerful but so are Lahni, Cole, Keegan, Kait, Fahz, Mac if used properly.

#26

She was nerfed once prior.

After allowing her in Escape for a while, I bet they nerf her again.

#27

Then they’ll also nerf Fahz because he’s also very powerful in it… I can see it coming.

#28

ok, fair enough… I guess this is yet ANOTHER instance of TC just never officially explaining new concepts they added (like bleed, or stim), leaving us to guess what it actually is and how it actually works…

So, how many ticks are there, and how long between them? Is each tick the same as the previous one, or do they decay ? (like tick 1 = full bleed, tick 2 = 66% of bleed, tick 3 = 33% of bleed, etc) ??

yet another thing which would be useful to know from @TC_MichaelAOS, if he can stop by and tell us…

#29

Probably.

People love playing sniper though, so there will be few if any nerf threads.