Should Lizzie Carmine's death be retconned?

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#113

They definitely didn’t use Clay effectively, nor JD when it came time to grab the beacon at the start of Act 4. Could’ve had a timid look on him as his squad was approaching Clay. Kait does briefly mention her afterwards though, I believe in Act 3.
However I wouldn’t put much stock in Clay because I don’t see how much he can contribute to the story any more than being JD’s personified survivor’s guilt. The revelation of Settlement 2 already forces that.

There wasn’t much in Act 4 writing-wise beyond lots of shooting and the standard military mission dialogue and lingo.

#114

I agree and I feel the same.

#115

How are we supposed to do that when it wasn’t the Swarm who killed her but JDs idiocy and TCs writing taking a dump in that scene with Lizzie not even trying to make a run for it instead of waiting for certain death?

#116

yes, it sucks that she died :frowning:

#117

I think it should stay canon, mainly because I’m hoping that this finally gives TC a chance to bring the elusive fourth brother, D. Carmine out into the playing field, seeing as how Lizzie was his daughter, maybe we’ll finally get to see the second oldest Carmine brother in action

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#118

So you want D.Carmine to die, too!? :disappointed:

#119

Could do what Disney did with Star Wars, scrapped all old books n comics and made new ones. Saying the new ones are cannon.
BUT, if the new stuff contradicts the movies, then it’s the movies you should take as cannon.
Seems it’s too hard for their writers of the books n comics to actually take the time to watch the movies before writing new stuff…

So, this is a game story first hand, books n comics second. And we don’t actually see her die, so yeah, could very much be alive. No matter what some after thought book says.

Would be a nice scene, having JD been throw of the side of a building or something, barely holding on with his damaged arm. And then a prosthetic arm reaching down to lift him and it’s Lizzie, having one side of her body damaged from the escape from the truck.

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#120

He shares the same VA with the Aspho Gear you use in the Prologue.

#121

You mean the entire fandom? I kinda can’t take this post seriously.

#122

LMAO

#123

I just wish they keep a couple more carmines in the game I feel very sorry for them and also that carmine has suffered enough death of his family (in campaign games just once) . :sob::sob::sob:

#124

I also have an idea that they should do a story with Remaining carmines like a game about them.

#125

They should retcon every death from that stupid campaign…

#126

Nah. If they kill someone, they should stay dead. Though, I wish they redid Gary’s death and made it a cutscene.

#127

This is the only one I wouldn’t mind. I mean, while it sure looked like she died, we never actually saw her death, did we? Sure, we saw what looked like a fatal explosion, but characters have lived through worse in other franchises. I could name a few. This wouldn’t be the most egregious retcon, would it? If they brought her back, though, she’d likely be severely disfigured which could be an unpopular move. Well, unless her amazing recovery could be explained away by technological advancements. On the other hand, it wouldn’t matter much anyway if a Carmine were disfigured, since we never see them anyway.

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#128

The only reason Clay survived was due to sales of an avatar t-shirt. All Carmines must die, that’s just how it is

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#129

Sorry Clayton, but you are adopted!
Sorry JD, but you are the son of Jinn!

#130

Did we ever see her body? Did we ever see Clay mention or mourn the loss of his niece?

#131

No. But JD was on the outside of the vehicle, and man got ■■■■■■ up.

Lizzie was on the inside. And vehicle went boom…

If Lizzie’s alive, she’s majorly ■■■■■■ up. But I don’t think ole girls kicking anymore.

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#132

Watched it again. You don’t really see the truck get blown up. It’s just a huge HoD strike. The truck kinda gets blown away into the background. I suppose you could say it got incinerated, but it’s not 100% clear. Also strange how no one ever actually states Lizzie died. Even more strange there’s scenes with Clayton following Lizzie’s “death” and he never mentions it either. If they wanted to confirm her death, they could have easily added a small line for Clay such as “this is for you Lizzie.”

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