Should Lizzie Carmine's death be retconned?

Gears 5
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#112

I don’t really think she should be retconned or anything as the story is already made, wouldn’t make much sense. There is a discussion to be had about the carmines taking a major backseat lately. I get that they are mainly side characters but damn.

Gary had such an interesting personality and the first to have a different voice yet he didn’t say a word and was there for like 5 seconds just to be cannon fodder. Clay is a complete ghost yet they deliberately give Gary a tattoo of his helmet and the grub killer moniker right on his back and never explain this in the slightest. Even had people thinking Clay was dead. Still I feel like if he idolized Clay that much there should have at least been some offhand mention in Gears 5.

Speaking of which let’s talk about Clay’s ghosting problem in Gears 5. How much better would that scene have been if Clay was actually there and ripped JD a new one? Honestly it would have even served to improve JD’s character arc. Yet he’s nowhere to be found. Doesn’t even mention it once either. The Grub Killer, who’s character arc pretty much revolves around how pissed off he gets about his dead family members, never says a single word about the latest person he has to avenge.

Biggest slap in the face is the ending cutscene where they go out of their way to show you everyone is alright and I guess they just completely forgot Carmine because he’s back to his old tricks again. They might as well swap his ultimate with Kait. I guess everyone has to take a back seat so they can focus more on the least interesting characters of the series.

Objectively most of the writing is just awful, which is a shame because a lot of the stuff in act 5 was pretty good, it shows the potential that this game could have had. Instead it focused on poorly fleshing out uninteresting characters and a watered down version of Mass Effect’s exploration. Hell even the character banter makes me think I’m back in the friggin mako all over again.

Trailing off a bit here but the point is that while Lizzie’s death was tragic, they didn’t even bother to reference it again in the same game so it’s all said and done. We’ve just gotta grieve and take our sweet time with the executions in her memory.

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#113

They definitely didn’t use Clay effectively, nor JD when it came time to grab the beacon at the start of Act 4. Could’ve had a timid look on him as his squad was approaching Clay. Kait does briefly mention her afterwards though, I believe in Act 3.
However I wouldn’t put much stock in Clay because I don’t see how much he can contribute to the story any more than being JD’s personified survivor’s guilt. The revelation of Settlement 2 already forces that.

There wasn’t much in Act 4 writing-wise beyond lots of shooting and the standard military mission dialogue and lingo.

#114

I agree and I feel the same.

#115

How are we supposed to do that when it wasn’t the Swarm who killed her but JDs idiocy and TCs writing taking a dump in that scene with Lizzie not even trying to make a run for it instead of waiting for certain death?

#116

yes, it sucks that she died :frowning:

#117

I think it should stay canon, mainly because I’m hoping that this finally gives TC a chance to bring the elusive fourth brother, D. Carmine out into the playing field, seeing as how Lizzie was his daughter, maybe we’ll finally get to see the second oldest Carmine brother in action

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#118

So you want D.Carmine to die, too!? :disappointed:

#119

Could do what Disney did with Star Wars, scrapped all old books n comics and made new ones. Saying the new ones are cannon.
BUT, if the new stuff contradicts the movies, then it’s the movies you should take as cannon.
Seems it’s too hard for their writers of the books n comics to actually take the time to watch the movies before writing new stuff…

So, this is a game story first hand, books n comics second. And we don’t actually see her die, so yeah, could very much be alive. No matter what some after thought book says.

Would be a nice scene, having JD been throw of the side of a building or something, barely holding on with his damaged arm. And then a prosthetic arm reaching down to lift him and it’s Lizzie, having one side of her body damaged from the escape from the truck.

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#120

He shares the same VA with the Aspho Gear you use in the Prologue.

#121

You mean the entire fandom? I kinda can’t take this post seriously.

#122

LMAO

#123

I just wish they keep a couple more carmines in the game I feel very sorry for them and also that carmine has suffered enough death of his family (in campaign games just once) . :sob::sob::sob:

#124

I also have an idea that they should do a story with Remaining carmines like a game about them.

#125

They should retcon every death from that stupid campaign…

#126

Nah. If they kill someone, they should stay dead. Though, I wish they redid Gary’s death and made it a cutscene.

#127

This is the only one I wouldn’t mind. I mean, while it sure looked like she died, we never actually saw her death, did we? Sure, we saw what looked like a fatal explosion, but characters have lived through worse in other franchises. I could name a few. This wouldn’t be the most egregious retcon, would it? If they brought her back, though, she’d likely be severely disfigured which could be an unpopular move. Well, unless her amazing recovery could be explained away by technological advancements. On the other hand, it wouldn’t matter much anyway if a Carmine were disfigured, since we never see them anyway.

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#128

The only reason Clay survived was due to sales of an avatar t-shirt. All Carmines must die, that’s just how it is

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#129

Sorry Clayton, but you are adopted!
Sorry JD, but you are the son of Jinn!

#130

Did we ever see her body? Did we ever see Clay mention or mourn the loss of his niece?

#131

No. But JD was on the outside of the vehicle, and man got ■■■■■■ up.

Lizzie was on the inside. And vehicle went boom…

If Lizzie’s alive, she’s majorly ■■■■■■ up. But I don’t think ole girls kicking anymore.

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