Potentially Jumping the Gun Quickly?

General Discussion
#1

Ever since the Horde Reveal was released, and the announcement of character locking with classes, it seems a lot of the community has been in an absolute uproar over that new development, going so far as to say that Horde won’t be the same as long as this is how they’re going to do things ect - paraphrasing here mind you - and even some saying that Gears 5 is already a disappointment. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and in this case, it’s no different. Yet over the last few days as I’ve been checking out the forums, ect on topics I have been wondering, aren’t those who have serious issues with this aspect or others aspect of Gears 5 jumping the gun by assuming that because of things not being how they wanted or would have liked to have, that the overall package of this game is going to be disappointing to a small or large degree?

Maybe I am in the minority, but Me personally, I would argue that generally speaking, multiplayer alone does not mean that a game is going to be a bust if it is less than ideal; with that said yes there are some games where MP does matter to their success (Call of Duty for sure, off the top of my head, and yes games that are MP only ect). It is one piece of the pie so to speak when it comes to a game. Now I would agree with the though that yes, Multiplayer would and does add to the length of a game’s life span. There are so many other factors that determines a game’s success or failure. I can see valid points in a lot of what I read here in terms of the main issue with Horde as far as classes and characters, yet I would say let’s take a wait and see approach to how things actually play out before we determine that Gears 5 is a bust.

Adding this in, but I think there’s a definite reason that TC added the game in to Game Pass when the game releases, and honestly I’d not be surprised if they anticipated some of the community, however big or small, would have issues with some of their choices for the game, and decided to put it on Game Pass as a way for those people to try it out and see how things are for themselves… If they want to buy it great, if not, then they saved themselves 80 bucks and can move on to the next game on their list, whether it’s Borderlands 3, or Astral Chain, for example.

Thoughts?

#2

That’s because it’s easy to talk about the negative, while being totally okay with positive. The positive parts are sometimes not worth mentioning. Compared to negative getting more response and reaction.

I’m just gonna copy why I thought Horde changes were justified.

I find it hard to criticise when I understand the reasons behind these decisions. So I’m also in minority and you won’t see my ranting. :slightly_smiling_face:

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#4

I personally don’t mind the changes they made to Horde mode, to be honest. I mean I do understand to an extent as well - while I can empathize with the group who does not like the changes with Horde and I understand why, I never personally did Horde with random in public, because there was so much quitting for whatever reason after a while that it made playing on less desirable to finish. Now, with AI bots being added in that may change a bit, but we’ll see - I usually did Horde with friends, so a lot of what’s being discussed is not as big of an issue. I can see why they are doing this as well, as to perhaps cut down on people doing speedruns or whatnot…it’s almost as if they are saying “we want you to play Horde this way…” Is that something that I like any dev for that matter doing? Not particularly, yet I am willing to keep an open mind about things and see how things go.

To be clear, I am not saying Pink that no one has a right to voice their opinion at all. If you read the post above fully I said that I had no problem with people expressing their opinion and saw valid points in some that I read in other threads - so no not saying you me or others don’t have a right to voice opinions ect - that’s what forums are for, to be honest. Just seems that people are willing to write off the game as being a bust for this reason or that reason, hence why I said what I did above…again everyone is free to feel what they want to feel and post it. In the end, time will tell what kind of success Gears 5 will have in the end.

#5

If someone told you, “I’m restricting your diet to the things I want you to eat, but you’ll really love them, I promise.”
And, that person want exactly Gordon Ramsay, you might be pretty annoyed.

I don’t understand why some are trying to force others to eat it and like it. If you truly feel strong about the game, why so much concern about the discontent? There were people who didn’t like Gears 4 and I was never bothered by them. Ever.

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#6

Yeah, how dare someone suggest forming an opinion of of actually playing the game instead of what they are already convince it will be.

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#7

Yeah, because it’s a Microsoft published game so it automatically is always going to be on Game Pass.

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#8

People rightfully have concerns about some of the changes coming to Gears 5, and it’s a good thing TC are made aware of this so that they can be more in tune with what people want.

That said I think people could benefit from focusing on the good aspects a bit more. If all you see is the worst in something that’s all you’re gonna get out of it. I can sometimes be very critical of the things TC does, and I’ve definitely not approved of many of the things they’re doing in Gears 5, but at the end of the day Gears 5 is infinitely more appealing to me than Gears 4 ever was, so overall it’s a net positive.

#9

Interesting post and you make sense with some good points.

I think people are allowed to voice concerns and if this website/ forum is not the place to do it then where is ?

We all want and love different things in Gears. For some it is campaign, some multiplayer and some Horde. Not forgetting we will soon have Escape thrown into the mix. To give TC credit they are offering a lot.

However with that, the Horde reveal has split a lot of us. I admit to being very underwhelmed with the reveal, much as I was with E3’s showing.

I think the changes or at least after watching some long play YT runs of the new Horde are detrimental to the game.

I don’t want Heroes, I don’t want to be told what character I have to be etc.

But way, way more disappointing to me is once again almost pedestrian wave structure and number of enemies. Will I get over it, yes of course or I will not and won’t play the mode.

I think Horde 2.0 is absolutely perfect or at least as close as Can be. I also love the original. I think 3.0 was ok. Time will tell what I think about 4.0.

To go back to your first point about “jumping the gun” possibly yes some have on here have, maybe me even ,however I would rather have passionate Gears that maybe are over protective and privileged then the alternative.

Locusts Forever.

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#10

I’m looking forward to Gears 5 for the Campaign…but there’s very little that’ll sway me with Versus and Horde now. Too many big changes to the norm of Gears and it just doesn’t feel the same anymore.

Of course I’ll give it all a try but I doubt my opinion will change.

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#11

Yeah,

I’ve seen and played enough to know that if that’s what we are getting,

Campaign it is.

The longevity and “money” in the game is indeed in Versus though, in PvE and PvP because I’m not going to do the campaign more than a 2-3 times over nor does it support any kind of customisations.

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#13

I am really excited for the new Horde changes. Provided TC releases more Heros/characters so that everyone’s favourite is eventually added, I guess this solves many of the issues. I like the idea that the abilities are tied to the “lore” of the character in some way (like Del who seems to become a mini-Baird), and that there is no ambiguity in-game. Interesting how Jack was supposed to be “accessible”, I feel that this will be the most busy character in Horde and that everyone will be complaining about any Jack operator not saving the day.

#14

Everyone’s gonna want Jack’s heals. But I find it more interesting to watch Jack stunning and killing enemies. Maybe Jack earns more Ribbons from playing offensively. Maybe there could be a cards combination suited for damage.

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#15

I am not trying to force anyone - you or anyone else - to like this dish that is going to be Gears 5 when it arrives in early Sept. … as I said above, everyone is definitely welcome to their opinions, and there have been some great points and valid points made when it comes to the Horde changes in particular, and I think it’s great that people can come here and share their views on something that we all are very fond of when it comes to Gears. All I am saying is that from what I’ve read it seems to be that people (not necessarily anyone here mind you) are willing to write off the game because the MP aspects of the game isn’t what we desire…time will tell how well or poorly the game does when it releases soon. Even with the issue of characters and classes, I’m genuinely looking forward to seeing how Horde plays, as there are aspects of it that I like in it.

If there is one thing I am going to be curious to see is just how much life this game will have when it comes to MP, b/c yes as was said here, versus is definitely nowdays for better or worse where a game can extend its life. This MP package has been polarizing for a lot of people here, from Arcade to Escalation changes and now Horde, so it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

#16

I’ve a feeling this will be a really strong campaign, but I think the multiplayer playerbase is going to decline if there aren’t major changes. I base that just on the hype I’ve seen online and amongst a lot of hardcore Gears friends. I could be completly wrong, but I’ve got a feeling.

I saw a YT video yesterday slamming Gears 5 and it had 450 dislikes… but 1,500 likes. That was spooky.

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#17

Yeah,

The guys with a following will only ever say good stuff but there are a big chunk of people who I didn’t expect to feel the same way for 5.

But still,

Plenty of stuff to be enjoying, skipped a couple of Gears MP games before for the same reason so will wait until this one is updated with changes into oblivion and maybe a different game by year 1 / 2 or just wait for the next.

#18

Oh, I am with you on that - I do think the campaign is going to be a good one, and that’s why I am doing that first - I will probably mix in some versus stuff here and there, but I want to do the campaign first…I think the MP side of things is yes like you said, pretty up in the air due to all the changes that they’ve done this time … do I think they will let it dwindle numbers wise? No…it’s a huge property for MS and the TC wants to continue Gears to some extent as well.

I know that when it comes to certain youtubers who share content for this game, I don’t really hear anything BUT good things - which is fine to be honest, as that’s what they’re supposed to do as they are a part of that coalition thing …. I don’t think TC would keep them around if they were negative constantly …… Gears 5 is getting buzz yet a lot of it isn’t good - and to a degree, yes I can understand why and the reasons are valid. I am curios to see if Arcade changes much; doubt it will but I still want to see if it’s different in the final release. Took me a while to feel my way around in that mode. I don’t see how that is a mode that casuals will draw to play; time will tell.