Point Distribution Discussion (Screenshots from S2 to Masters) People Just Need Practice

Gears 5
#49

I think you’re taking too much liberty with his words. A system needing some more tuning does not translate to “Somewhat broken”… A variable changed here, perhaps this multiplayer is a bit too harsh, etc.

Everyone complaining about broken ranks, has average or in some cases in other threads, absolutely terrible stats… We can also conclude that every rank has hundreds of people that are at their limit. Everyone’s dealing with the exact same system… As I mentioned above, if you have the opinion that losses shouldn’t be so harsh which would translate to everyone leveling up, that’s fine. That’s a view… But to say “This is broken”… No… It’s not broken. Broken means there’s no rhyme or reason. Broken means random. Broken means unable to overcome… Thousands of people are getting along fine…

But again, if you want it to be easier for all, you’re free to think that.

#50

Pretty sure it’s not broken…

The tuning part was about adding further elements into the skill point system… Like downs, clean up kills and so on.

#51

It may not translate specifically to that it’s broken, but it does convey that it needs more work.Even if it’s just a variable as you say, it’s not working as they want it(to me that means broken in some way) and it’s definitely not ready to be used.

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#52

The Elimination stat is giving players a false sense of accomplishment/skill.

I see them claiming far too often that they had a great K/D when that stat is not tracked on a per game basis. I find it hard to believe these players are counting every kill they get manually.

Even on the last stream Ryan said MVP is a bad way to judge performance.

#53

Again, man, I’m just gonna’ respectfully disagree. Good players with decent stats are progressing, and the only guys I’ve seen in the lower tiers are in need of practice in multiple areas. I think it’s good enough, personally. Could it improve, sure. Always can. Not good enough to be used? I personally don’t think so.

#54

That’s cool, we can all have disagreements here.

@o_GH0UL_o, can you find the response Ryan made to you regarding how the rank system isn’t where it needs to be. Having trouble finding it and I was going to quote that as a response to both @Fragmented_Wolf and @iAntique for transparency. Having trouble finding it since there are over a thousands responses in that thread.

#55

It’s going to be funny seeing how ppl will respond if TC replaces eliminations with kills on the scoreboard.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we’ll see the same reaction like we have seen with the Cap/break change.

#56

already asked Ryan in his thread and he said he would love to change Elims to K/D at some time in the future.

it would honestly help players understand how well they’re doing.

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#57

Here’s a quote from after the rank reset concerning low tier versus high tiered players. He specifically stated that an issue needs to be fixed and will be during season 2. Doesn’t pertain specifically to point allocation however, it does show that the system as a whole needs more tuning/fixing even today.

There are a few more instances where he admits that the ranking system isn’t where it needs to be for different reasons, which is why I believe that this ranking system isn’t ready to be put into the game. Personally, I think they should’ve just implemented a more simple system to begin with, and made a sort of beta playlist to test out their more complex system.

#58

Not to mention hellacious 40 second games of guardian… like seriously, nobody is performing to the ■■■■■■■■ made up standards if the leader dies in 40 seconds. Not even the “good” players who win that match, they get pennies on the dollar for a blowout game, and losers get tossed down ranks for being “bad”. Nobody factors in apparently that the lower your rank the poorer the games. And your stats don’t get recalibrated if you’re losing a lot. They still expect you to play like a 10 even if you’re at a 3 all day long. At least recalibrating would stop you from falling so far. P.S. I’m in no less than the top 35% in all 6 specific stats in guardian, and I’m hard stick silver 2. I should at least be high gold or even low onyx. AndI was master tier before the reset. I’m not saying I’m amazing, but no way I should be getting matched with bronzies 4 games in a row and then diamonds the next 3. It’s a completely different caliber of play and coordination.

#59

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#60

Thought you might like this story from two games tonight.

I started 5% silver three. Join a pick up game with 4 others. Have a horrible first round( i went negative). Ended up leaving the party because one dude was nothing but insulting everyone. Turn it around amd win the next two. Go from bottom of the group to third. Any longer and i was gonna hit the top. This game bounces me to gold 1. I forget what %

I go find another pug and this is lower in skills. We lose the first one. I have some trash randoms. At the end of the first round one kid has 6 eliminations. 6…its on foundation and he had 6. Anyways they lose a player and we win the next two. I bounce up to gold 2 off of 400 points.

My caps didnt really change… because it doesnt have to anymore. Caps dont count as much. My aggressive playing went up and that helped. But overall I’m still at a loss with things.

#61

Well yeah that’s how easy you can go up when you have decent matches as I said everyone is literally so close in points so it’s extremely easy to drop majorly or advance so.

Don’t get me wrong though losing alot of points for one match is definitely not justified.

Anyway, yeah see I played a lot yesterday and went from silver 3 to onyx 2 so it can be done.

As I said the only problem I have with the system is how much points you can sometimes lose. It’s not a perfect system by no means but I still stand by it not being completely broken.

#62

Yeah, it’s not completely broken, but it doesn’t take into account quitters and with the huge amount of quitters, it’s a glaring weakness in the system. A big one.

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#63

No i completely agree but I don’t see TC doing anything about that anytime soon tbh due to the amount of problems they still have to work on.

Just making the point to people that they can’t blame the entire system for their low placement is all.

#64

They already did something about it previously. It kinda worked before the ranking “fix” went out, then it stopped working again.

#65

Well in my opinion it’s not broken entirely again if that’s the case then everyone would be having problems.

Each to their own but that’s just me I guess.

Do agree it is somewhat broken but not entirely.

#66

I was just talking about the system not factoring in quitters, which no longer works, but did work to a degree prior to the latest reset and fix.

Wasn’t talking about the system as a whole.

#67

I know I’m just saying that’s what most people have been saying. That’s the point I’ve been continuously making to people that are blaming the entire thing.

The quitter problem needs to be sorted asap. It’s unfair losing points because of them but apart from that I think the system is okay atm.

#68

Yes, but that had nothing to do with my point. Why do you feel the need to keep repeating that you think it’s fine?

We’re all well aware of people’s grievances with the system.

I’ve already made my thoughts known in this thread, so I’ll refrain from repeating myself