And despite that wall I fail to see how they ruined Engis, if anything they made it easier.
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I’ll build if no one else will and there is no engineer.
So yeah it being available to everyone is a good thing, you can’t account for stupidity or malice of humans sadly.
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Indeed. Paragraphs are nice
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Also a ball ache if the engineer leaves.
Seriously, the only person who does a lot of whingeing is them!
If I’m not hosting and someone keeps building whilst I’m the engineer, I ask them to stop. If I get ignored I go to another game… or I just get on with it. Depends on the mood.
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Exactly. I’ve said it before, but banning everyone from ordering steak just because the babies can’t chew it, isn’t a good enough reason to ban steak.
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For the record, just to be clear, I recognise that stupid and inexperienced players are a problem in public games. It’s annoying and deterimental when non-engineers build things because it costs more money, and the fortifications are not as effective, and in turn it impacts the team. I just don’t think blocking them from building stuff is the solution. GOW is and always has been a squad-based team game and it’s so much more rewarding when played as such. My advice is, and always has been to befriend people, build social circles and play with friends. It’s so much more straightforward and rewarding. And besides, from a human psychology level it’s much harder to be a ■■■■ to someone when they are a friend or in party chat with you or whatever. It’s easier to be hostile when they’re a stranger because there’s no emotional and social investment in your interaction.
Broadly speaking I believe in player freedom. Having a class system does not mean that it has to work in absolutes where each class absolutely has to do X, Y and Z. Otherwise all the engineers will do is build and repair. All the snipers will be able to do is snipe. Explosive-based classes will just use explosives. The game needs to have some flexibility, and while a Demolitions class using a Longshot isn’t going to be very effective compared to the Marksman, it should still be something we as players should have the option to do.
Also the suggestion that people on these forums (the “whiners”) directly caused TC to make these changes is probably overstating the importance of our voices here. I don’t want to come across as though I’m poo-pooing over TC and suggest that they never listen, because they sometimes do, but ultimately this is TC’s game and they would never make changes unless they thought it was a good idea. They wouldn’t just do it because of us. And to suggest that they do is ironically, just someone lashing out because they are unhappy with a particular change in the game. In essence, people complaining about “whiners” has become the whiner themselves.
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Lol. Actually some people just adjust and don’t feel the need to gripe about it in every response. Absolutely no one on here whines about anything as much as you do about the Fab.
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I don’t really see the problem. Engineers are like tanks in Warcraft. Everyone wants you cause there is so few of them.
Someone pisses you off just leave, you’ll find a new group in no time. Not like a slugger ie… Good Engineers make your life tons easier.
They made life easier for groups with no engineers, which is as much as I can tell the majority.
Maybe the problem is not necessarily having the “must have” status anymore ?
(Woops sorry answered the wrong person)
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See above.
What is actually mind boggling is that they changed a sane game design to something insanely exclusive to start with lol
A good Engineer is still miles above a Veteran or whatever putting down fortifications.
I would actually agree with locking out the fabricator when an engineer is around…except…idiocity goes both ways.
You can get a robotic expert that thinks he is a sniper or a Mechanic that thinks he is a gnasher hero.
Assuming you’re the host you can kick him, again assuming you are the host you can kick people that wasterpower when they shouldn’t too.
I pretty much agree. Especially on JJ. It is like the Scout/non scout collecting power issues we had in 4. Used to drive me crazy.
10 € on Architect. I mean as far as I know there is no Engineer class…
(Do I need Sarcasm tags ?)
I do play as an engineer when the mood strikes, what frustrates me is when other people start to buy or upgrade things without my consent, Which loops back to the topic in question. Like honestly, what compels non-engineers to build when there’s already a competent one in play? Is it because they’re so used to playing with no engineer? Is it due to the fact that they wanna get more kills per wave via sentries? Trolling? What ever the case may be, it’s dissuades me from ever taking up that class when ever I host.
They should make open fabricators a toggleble option in custom lobbies, at least then it would be more of a preference thing on a per game basis.
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How about when playing engineer and the non engineers buy sentries and rage/melee / message you to keep them filled and upgraded.
Nope - I let them sit and die. Anyone building can also buy a repair tool and pitch in on filling/fixing.
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Well I can give you one example. If I, as demo or gunner, ask a few times in chat to please build a weapons locker for me and it doesn’t happen. I eventually will do it myself.
So if I may, just as it should go without saying that none engineers shouldn’t build if there is an engineer is present.
Engineers should build weapon lockers for the classes needing them as soon as they can.
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I suppose in that instance it really depends on the engineer in question, a smart one would have lockers up early on, can’t say most share that sentiment sadly. Seen way too many high level engis do dumb plays.
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The only time I will not buy an repair tool, assuming power is plenty, and repairs aren’t going as they should is as anchor.
Throwing away one of your main weapons sucks.
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I’m not a total DB, I do give it a few rounds… if folks deposit and capture taps, etc I then do go and start filling their toys. But on wave 1 seeing 2/3 people buy sentries while I’m lugging around barriers and lockers sets me off.
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The problem is and always has been…Ready for this? People play this game how they want to. Only people that come here to the forums have and know what is needed and expected from each class/character.
If your playing with friends on regular bases then your play style is know and you know what is needed from you. Also there is room to play up and make dumb mistakes.
When you play with randoms, there is no forgiveness. One ■■■■ up and your out most of the time. The best place to be is hosting.
Where you have…
While that is normally what I do, for Jingle Juvies if I play one of the engineer classes, I also prefer to set up loads of barriers first to hold off Juvies easier, which is also of benefit for the Scion and DR-1 waves. I find people make the Scion waves harder than necessary by not having enough barriers which leads to Scions grouping up more quickly since everyone always wants to camp in the side tower while the only time I have seen a spawn setup is when I dragged the fabricator there because of where the tap was at, when that is just as good or even better because it spreads the enemies out over three approaches and is not an explosive vulnerable location.
It does, I keep hiding their turrets in walls and the fornicator until they leave.
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