Engineers are the most important in the team and have the most pressure on them.
The job of establishing a base(in the right order) and maintaining it through the entire game makes the engineer the most important class in my opinion.
If you have a really good engineer who knows their stuff and not selfish, your game is won within first 20 waves. The rest is maintenance.
My point is in the end, if you give everyone the engineer benefit if there is an engineer in the team(more or less)
It’s the same if you gave everyone healing powers in a mmo. The healer most likely would be relegated to hey you’re here because buffs thanks. That is no fun to the person playing.
This way if there is no engineer everyone can still work on a good defense even without an engineer.
An engineer makes it alot easier though.
Hey if you wanted stuff to be like in in the last patch in Witcher 1 you should play Witcher 1 with the last patch and not Witcher 2 because the devs obviously only changed things because of the fun of it.
Not because they made sense or anything <3
One of the people that realize that things change ? I dunno.
Btw I get you, But that disapropriate amount of responsibility is a sad truth. If I could change something I would make everyone thank their engineer for a game well played. But I can’t lol.
One thing you can do, mind you that is prone with errors. Give bonus xp or an extra card to an engineer willing to deal with at least 3 randoms.
The problem with this is, it will lead to people going engineer without the slightest capability to do so.
I played Wow for uh nearly 16 years now, erasing the human factor is nearly impossible.
You’re one of them!.. Like me.
Whatever we are.
I tank and heal… Its a thing to suffer.
I get what you mean regarding not wanting engineers to be there just because of buffs. At the same time though, isn’t that kind of already the case, just puts all the pressure on one person to do it all? People only want Engineers because of the cheaper base building and easier maintaining. Doesn’t sound too different from just being there because of buffs IMO.
Ny main problem is how the way the power economy works in both Gears 4 AND 5 to heavily favor and entitle Engineers. This used to be an issue in 4 with the Scout too via how power was acquired. But they fixed the Scout economy problem, so I can’t help but wonder if they can’t somehow fix the Engineer economy problem.
I’m all for Engineers having exclusive repair speed and other maintenance buffs, as well as the Global Fort buffs like Robotics Expert has (and nobody complains about those cards applying to the whole team like it currently does). My main problem is having all the mandatory deposits be essentially required and having to wait for an Engineer to build the exact same thing you need only because it is cheaper, because of how the economy works.
I don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing to have a class or dedicated to base-building, but at the same time, I’ve really enjoyed non-Engineer runs because instead of all the fuss over wether or not the Engineer will build this or that, each person can just focus on getting what they need to help them out in the lane that they are holding. A lot less needlessly complicated.
All that being said, I’m cool with how it is right now and really enjoy playing the game, Engineer or not. I think that it is all in a pretty good spot. You are right, you will never get rid of the human factor (but that is also part of the fun). Randoms will be randoms, but my luck seems to go pretty well in that department with customs.
I honestly think NOT having engineer in my games has been less stressful than having one, especially when I’m playing with random engineer who tends to be 
.
I’m not saying engineers are not worth it. In fact, a good engineer can make so much difference for the team.
The best thing to do when you have a crap engineer is to kick or restart. Trying to go through a game like that is stressful and nearly 
of the time, the game is doomed.
That’s where being able to build yourself can be handy.
If the engineer won’t listen, building a few things yourself can help salvage things.
Especially if they think sentry > wire/locker
Robotics Expert has sentry cards, so they must be spammed,
That’s what I call a bad/selfish engineer if they think that a sentry card should be a part of your setup.
I’ve never put that card on with Baired.
Well I guess my point was, if everyone gets the buffs. You can put the engineer in the corner to sleep. Baird has some dps advantages, but Del is at a complete loss and let’s not involve the Architect.
The way it is, they have to play their role to be of full benefit. Now I am sure there is people that would like to sit around and watch TV while getting xp but I doubt that is the majority.
The gisht, these days it is absolutely feasible to not have an engineer while building, it is just advantageous to have one, very advantageous.(English spelling is hard ;))
It’s a compromise quite simple.
Yes you are absolutely right there. Sometimes I immediately quit the game (if I’m not hosting) that’s if the random engineer starts acting like a 
i.e building sentrys first over a weapons locker.
Neither do I.
If I use MG, it’s at the back of the base to stop fliers.
I prefer shock, simply due to the stun effect.
Concerning this.
It would be nice, if the game could backfill quitters/Vote kicked people.
But with the daily rewards, that is a new can of worms.
Although, I would say if someone is willing to throw himself into the random grinder he deserves the daily rewards of the chosen difficulty, even if he was only there for the last 5 mobs of the last wave.
And of course people would find a way to exploit, whenever did that not happen.
Plenty of matches are won without an engineer
You have the option of creating a private game, this is how is should be and at launch the game was trash for horde because of that stupid crap of build restrictions.
If you don’t like people building that is why you host private games like GOW 4 people did, you do not support punishing everyone due to a small amount of bad players.
Horde’s trash set up at launch is why people incliding me stopped playing GOW 5 due to it being a big 3 steps back from GOW 4.
Horde is how it should be now and you have plenty of options to adapt, at launch there were no options for long time horde fans beside “play another game until they fix the broken judgement 2.0 inspired crap”.
Yeah I know that 
but I rather win with one that knows their job.
This is why I think that Robotics Expert (Baird) is such a good example of how to better design Engineers. They can benefit the game quite a bit while simultaneously being able to actually play it via some DPS. I have the most fun engineering as this class.
The Architect (Kat) decoy is the best distraction ever, but yeah, this class really needs to have more added to it.
Jack has the Hijack stuff and the inherent heal beam and zapper stun are extremely helpful by themselves.
Mechanic (Del) though? I honestly think that this class is the most toxicly entitled to the economy due to how cheap it can get stuff. Too much like the Gears 4 Engineer and carries over most of the power economy problems. I suppose it has really tough defenses, can repair and tank fire simultaneously, and the new Enforcer card can actually melt when stack with Custom robotics.
IMO the game would be a lot better for Engineers if they could focus more on these other traits and buffs without having to literally buy the fortifications themselves.
The game lost most of the player base because of the stupid changes to horde mode, a minority of people liked it, most fans were pissed at the stupid changes and stopped playing the game.
Only now that horde mode has been corrected to be like GOW 4 are people coming back to the game.
Horde at launch was terrible, and most agree with me since we complained and went back to GOW 4 until the mode was corrected.