Official Feedback thread for Developer Playlist - adhesion and active reload changes

Gears 5
#309

the active made little difference with the lancer in the first place, like it would give a slightly faster (.1 second faster to be more specific) down but that’s simply not the most impactful of active out there.

Some people (old time fans in particular) love actives as they see it as a way to increase skill gap even further, but I (and many others) despise it because it just makes each encounter an unlevel playing field where whether or not you hit actives is what determines success not as much about hitting shots, just an annoying mechanic to tend with.

The lancer is still probably a bit OP even with the removal of Adhesion/active, but at least now it’ll be a bit harder for people to hit me so makes movement a bit better. I find Gears 5 to be a borefest mainly because lancers are so strong they sort of encourage people just camping and hiding the whole match, a bit too overwhelming currently.

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#310

Shotgun campers exist. It’s on par with lancer campers. It’s a camping problem. Not a weapon problem. Tons of games, just about every game you’ll ever play will in some sort have camping players. This isn’t an argument for removing buff. But I do agree with you. Who wouldn’t? Camping is annoying!

#311

well typically you’ll maybe see one person camping behind a wall with a shotgun, nevermind the fact that they are still pretty much at risk of dying when they do this, whereas with lancers entire teams do it. Lancers pretty much reward people for being bad at the game and not moving in my eyes, why waste time learning to Wallbounce or optimize your movement when instead you can just learn where to sit and lancer people?

The removal of Adhesion will probably lead to (I’m making guesses here) lots of people that held high ranks all of a suddenly having difficulty as they can no longer just be hand holded when they’re lancering, but I still very much see it being strong as sugar in the hands of someone with thumbs.

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#312

Eh, it’s okay. I’m seriously throwing a hissy fit over it, I will admit that. I feel very strongly that this is a bad move. but this game’s identity is gone and so is it’s player base…long time coming. I will not be playing this game anymore. Had it with TC when they took out the Hammerburst., and this just destroyed any Hope I have for the future of this series. All uniqueness gets thrown out the window for some cry babies that can’t handle using their brain to not rush the guy holding a freakin rifle at you.

Tldr: removal of adhesion and making the active reload skillful = awesome. REMOVING buff = a bigger shift in direction I’m not okay with. 2 steps forward 3 steps back. Done and done.

#313

I’ve been hearing that Gears lost its identity ever since GOW3 (less dark aesthetics, wall cancelling, loadout weapons, TDM, microtransactions, etc.) but I beg to differ in this regard, Gears is Gears due to a collection of different things working in tandem, not because of any singular element or mechanic that it may boast certain ones over others depending on game or situation.

If actives are a core part of GOW’s identity its a small one, yes its cool and all but I hardly doubt that people play Gears just because it has actives, its a small feature in a big world known as Gears.

I think Gears has lost its identity (in my eyes) long ago, Gears 1 to 2 was pretty much the same, Gears 3 was a huge shift due to lambant and the brighter aesthetics and how different it “felt”. GOW4 right from the getgo is a much different experience because the cast of characters is different and so too is the setting and the enemies and etc. Gears 5 definitely feels like a continuation of GOW4 so if you consider GOW4 a Gears game that sorta tells me what you think of GOW5, but it does have a couple of minute differences that make it stand out (expressions, escape, combat knife, little stuff here and there)

If I had any one thing that Gears 5 could bring back from previous Gears it would definitely be the maps, my oh my has Gears went downhill in terms of map design, not just in terms of how interesting maps used to play (Tyro Station, Hail, Flood, Avalanche, etc.) but the way they look is awful now (they seem to just make everything look bland, I bet that GOW5’s gridlock will still look much worse than GOW3’s did, just as an example)

I know I kinda rambled a bit but my point was that actives were never that relevant to Gears in the first place (nevermind that its still on all non loadout weapons) and that if TC changes them for the sake of balance/consistency then that should be the only reason.

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#314

In short, the response to these changes have been overwhelmingly positive. Effective next Tuesday, June 30th, we’re rolling out this new tuning as standard across all Versus modes. Note: The adhesion changes won’t impact our competitive esports mode, Escalation but the new active reload will be added.

Just thought I’d mention this as its definitely relevant to this discussion.

I was kinda hoping they’d not do anything with Arcade/Quickplay but as I don’t play that personally it doesn’t effect me too much, feels bad for newbies :roll_eyes:

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#315

I agree the lag and high pingers are out of control! I shoot today and it lands tomorrow. How is a game created to benefit high pingers? They can make this game to perfect tuning but with this being the only game benefiting high pingers it won’t matter.

@mjrdecision

#316

Well said. Appreciate it. So Latency needs to be fixed. High ping players shouldn’t be favored then TC. Just make Gears feel like Gears again. Awarding. Competitive but fun. Slow the game down. Make it feel more realistic like Epic Games intended for a third person shooter. Speed boosts should be taken out. A cover based system was implemented for a reason. Not bouncing off walls to gain a speed boost. Why change something that was built to make Gears an Amazing title? The Gib range should be brought closer in. I shouldn’t be able to body a player a whole football stadium away.

#317

@mjrdecision now you’ve announced the update coming in all playlists starting next week will you be continuing this thread or starting a new thread for us to give new suggestions as of if/when we want things adding or taking away for example the bullet magnetism or friction?

Thanks for listening to the community too :+1:t2:

#318

Anyone still play gears of war 3?? I think I might go back to that. Haha

#319

me man … I could add you and play… I like playing GOW 3 Horde :slight_smile:

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#320

I’ve been trying to master all gears 5 hordes. I could go for some gears 3 grind as well. Add me up alphdoll is my tag

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#321

lol when did this become a Gears of War 3 horde thread :joy:

Gears 3 is really fun to be because of all the enemy variety and weapons you can use, a lot less broken then Horde 4.0 so its definitely a breath of fresh air for those who are sick of the JD freedom lancer spam.

Just to kinda push this back on topic I wonder what the next beta playlist (or changes) will bring? :thinking:

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#322

I dont think they should take away the active damage and replace it with a quicker reload. If anything they should just add the quicker reload and keep the damage boost with the active. In older games your active used to increase the speed of your active and made it harder to get an active back to back to get that damage boost every time while also making your active bar smaller after each active. Also what is up with not being able to active everytime in this game, there is like a cool down before you can active again wtf. Maybe the next beta should be about making the active reload great again. Or an even better one would be changing the chainsaw button back to, ‘B’ and getting rid of that stupid knife melee lel

#323

Na i dont quit considerin you lose massive points an randoms are trash an if they arent you barely get any points. Have fun wastin your time playin that broken piece of garbage i wont be on till operation 4 n if that isnt good ill just get a ps5 an sell xbox :wastebasket:

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#324

great man Ill add you up to my xbox friend list man … count of it . thanks man :slight_smile:

#325

Just played my first few matches on the playlist. Everything seems way too fast. Up-A’s are even more dominant than before, and the gib range is way too far again. The game plays like it did during the Mario Kart phase. Major step down from the current tuning imo.

TC should choose one of either fast reload or 8-shot Gnasher. Combining them both makes the stream of shots near infinite. Personally, I’d get rid of the quicker reload.

Lack of adhesion felt nice, though precision weapons are going to have to be re-tuned again or else M/KB will have way too much of an advantage.

#326

Agreed on the speed and gnasher range.
Definitely both need tuning down.

I know everyone loves a gnasher fight but this is like playing on fast forward with a 1 shot for anywhere

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