I’m not exactly clear what you’re trying to say here.
To me if you nerf something then you rob future players of the same benefits that past players had and robbing is unkind.
I can’t quite tell if you are conflating recognition of this unkindness as it played out to people who missed the benefits that Wolf had with hypocrisy or something else.
The logic is based on what is possible.
It is not impossible to achieve a match without a meta character. You can get that without a nerf.
It is impossible to achieve pre-nerf benefits from nerfed code.
Nerf is everywhere, and permanent where self achieved non-meta matches are merely hard at worst.
To put it another way to address the “selfish” term.
Allowing meta characters to stay strong might hurt you sometimes but it’s not guaranteed so in theory abstaining from definitely hurting people that enjoy the meta every time doesn’t seem selfish or at least not as selfish as forcibly guaranteeing a always hurt to some in order to avoid the mere risk of a sometimes hurt for some.
The possibility and frequency disparities do exist regardless of what magnitude your skill level gives them.
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I was not defending Wolf or condoning his actions. I simply wanted to state Ektope had nothing to do with getting the XP farming with DFB patched out.
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I reckon it was this part that I was confused about:
There was so much going on that I had to re-read it a couple of times and maybe was misunderstanding the “then getting bothered by” part .
Just the sentence by itself seems clear enough if that you mis-like being told not to get bothered when others then get bothered.
Sorry if I read into it wrong.
I’m saying ways to balance Cole not nerf him. With my ideas Cole can kill much faster and gain stim, but in the same time he won’t be able to run around soaking that much damage, in that way he will fit his role.
It’s not impossible to win without the characters meta? Fine. Beat horde on master on any map other than district, forge and canals without JD and jack on the team
#Don’tNerfCole just because you don’t like it or you think it’s overpowered doesn’t mean it needs to be nerfed. Make private games and then don’t play as Cole.
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Why Keegan though? Lany is a MUCH better Cole-ish “replacemant”
I agree. Melee replace melee. So Cole, Emile, Lahni. These three char won’t need weapons and do most fighting with their fists or knives. A Keegan replacing Cole would change the dynamics where explosive weapons picked up and not entering or rushing close quarter to push ahead.
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I was not saying Keegan is a replacement for Cole. But when it came to disposing of the Rejects on The Corruption it was easy enough to just lure them into a choke point and slap a few Boomshots or frags into their masses to clear them out. If any stragglers survived it wasn’t enough to be much of a threat(unless the team suddenly all had brainfarts and turned incompetent or lag happens).
So in a way, he compensates for no Cole but he is not a true replacement per se. And not having a melee character on certain hives is a much bigger disadvantage than on others(such as The Warren, where especially initially when you have no adequate weapons the Juvies would be very difficult if not impossible to kill).
Or buff others.
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This really makes me think we need diffwrent card levels for horde and eacape.
You are all showing how OP Cole is… IN ESCAPE… He is still largely useless in Horde, haha… Beyond being a trishot hero…
I HATE this atupidity of having the same characters and/or same level cards for two game modes which are sooooo different…
It just means non melee Horde options are so incredibly underpowered so that dont become OP in Escape… But escape can have OP melee characters because they dont break horde…
Broken approach…
Well since there seem to be some who are OP with Cole and can do Master Hives solo, can one of you run me through some Master Hives? I still need to do Guantlet and an OP2 and OP3 hive for the achievements.
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Sounds like they’re trying to get TC to make it so you’ll have an even harder time.
I agree - but I wish I had the ability that I have now when chalkboard skins were on the table.
Those babies were gorgeous.
I’m still in the I Can’t Complete a Single Freaking Map on Master Club.
I need to sit back and let these solo master runners beat the maps for me while I gargle venom in spawn.
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Everybody needs to come the fukkkk down with all this nerfing sheeeeyat! I’ve mastered all the horde maps with all characters, but escape is a different ball game. You don’t see me calling to nerf this and that because I think that horde on masters is easy. I find it easy! Doesn’t mean the next person does. If you find it so easy to do why not use your talent to help other people?
There is no need for nerfing of anything, buffing is what’s required here of other characters. Also a chance for other people to get things done, that might not have as much time or be as good as others.
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Ah ok got it
They should either just change Cole’s class to scout which should make more sense, or rebalance the entire character by reducing is health and damage reductions, and increasing his damage.
But sure as hell not to nerf him. Any nerf to any character right now will make the game even more unbalanced.
And also character’s cards should have different percentages between horde and escape.
JD Players. 'Im the only one who should have fun!"
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Hey! I remember that! good times!
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