[Main] Ranking System Discussion, and Feedback

This is the official thread to leave your feedback and comments about our Gears 4 Ranking System. Want to know how it works? Read our updated Gears 4 Ranking System Guide.

We hear your feedback on the Ranking System as it exists today, and the team are taking it with them as we think about the future with regards to the user experience. We have investigated many of the reports in this thread and verified our system is performing accurately (backed up with our broad range of data) but we understand the frustration the current opaqueness brings to the experience.

As a reminder:

Ranks exist to accurately measure your Skill against the population to create better matches

The goal of any good Ranking System is to accurately understand the Skill of it’s players in order to produce fairer higher-quality matchups.

Ranks do not follow the rules of linear progression, like getting your next Re-Up. As you play, you may find your Rank settles as it becomes accurate and – without a notable improvement in your performance against higher Skill opponents - progression becomes extremely difficult. This is intentional and integral to any Skill Rating system.

If you’d like to know more, we highly recommend reading our Ranking Explained document: https://gearsofwar.com/en-us/community/gears4-ranking-explained

(Thanks to @EVIL_0NE for the great original thread)

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Ranked quitters and mismatching
Im done with this game thanks to its ranking system
Ranking system is trash
Ranked system needs fixed
Quitters and rank
Ranking, Match Making, and the rest of this clown show
Problems to stadistics
Dmnd 3 eligible for a day
The ranked points are broken
Rank system issues
Is My rank % frozen?
Wats up with rank system
Ranking system is still bad(rant)
The ranked system is broken
I Don't Wanna Be That Guy But,,,
Ranking system really suck
Ranked system, my teammates go up and i go up 0%
Ranked system, my teammates go up and i go up 0%
Losing RANK progress when teammates leave
Losing RANK progress when teammates leave
Yet another ranking system complaint/Rant
Yet another ranking system complaint/Rant
My rank is not working
My rank is not working
Why not upgrade my rank on TDM?
Why not upgrade my rank on TDM?
Ranked question
Ranked question
Clarification about errors
Fix the rank sistem!
Fix the rank sistem!
Problems with servers and stats
Problems with the rank
Really annoyed by gears ranking system
No move my rank, and I win always
The ranking sistem suck
My rank = frozen
Very sad terrible
Rank going down with win or loss?
RANKED ISSUE, they dont raise me
We really need help in this
We really need help in this
Stat percentages are frozen
Stat percentages are frozen
The ranking system
Is the ranking system ever gonna get fixed?
Ranking system must be fixed
Win 10 Multiplay And no up, lose one and terrible
Competitive ranking system
Sorting failing and people leaving
Competitive ranking system
Simple Ranking System!
Simple Ranking System!
Sure percentage goes down is quick, but when win I get nothing
The ranking system broken
Ranking system broken again
Rank questions 1
[RANKING SYSTEM ISSUES] Ranking Score only goes down not up
Sick of the matchmaking garbage
My king of the hill % only goes down and not up
My king of the hill % only goes down and not up
Broken ranking system
Broken ranking system
The ranked system is broken
Jugadores que abandonan las partidas
Ranked Matchmaking issues in ASIA for PC players
my rank percentage does not go up on King of the Hill
my rank percentage does not go up on King of the Hill
DOes not go up percentage on King of the Hill
Frozen Rank stats
DOes not go up percentage on King of the Hill
Ranking System with Versus
I need to know why my rank is not moving up
Complaint for the rank coalition
Error in rankeds
Rank system is broken
Not counting ranked games
Stuck in onyx 3
Problems with system ranking
Diamond ranked is stuck
Can't get to Diamond from Onyx KOTH
Fix Rank Play and the lobby i just got kick out of a game and suspended me
Ranking System Needs Changes
Fail help please
Range progress, error
What my rank percentage didnt go up
Complaint for the rank coalition
Gears ranking system
How to increase rank?
My percentage did not go up?
Well done TC, Well done
Fix ranked this is broken 10 win in a row positive I still in the same plase this is waste of time
What's with the ranking system?
I have 100% to go to diamond from onyx 3! What happened?
STOP making us not gain % after a few losses
Ranked please Help me
Freaking ranking
Ranking system broken smh
I need help plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Rank Isn't Working
Percentage is Broken
Fail in my acccount help please
Ranking Issues TDM
Hi mi name is Uriel
Fix the broken progression ranking system
Problem my porcentaje rango
Escalation ranking
Lol, sure, TC, your ranking system 'works as intended'
Lol, sure, TC, your ranking system 'works as intended'
Rank Percentages
Better ranking plz
Ranking system glitched
I’m tired of this
Ranking Percentage problem?
Going beyond Onyx 1 ranking
Why is the ranking so broken
KOTH ranking system doesn't work well
Ranking system is going downhill
I can't upgrade muy rank in Versus
Ranking issues!
Wins not counting again
Ranking system is wild
3 wins in TDM, solid all 3 games, rank % down 15%
the ranges are in the shit
is the percentages wrong to increase the rank?
the ranges are in the shit
Rankedd help please
Rankedd help please
Whats up 123456
Tdm ranking system
Gotta love this game
They do not raise me a percentage
GOW4 the deception
About the skill level of ranked players
Rankeds system is so bad
Problem in the ranking
Still having problems with frozen rank
Rank is frozen !?!
Please help me the coalicion
Why am i on a 15 win streak and still going up no %,
The ranking system has to broken right?
Rank system not working
Bug in the range system
This does bring me to tier 3 or at least bring me up close to teir 3 ONXY
Rank is very wrong
Why is rank not going up?
Why is rank not going up?
Our Ranking System
Our Ranking System
Can the ranking system be fooled
Can the ranking system be fooled
Problems with statistics
Error in rank of RDLC help me!
Another thread complaint about ranking system
The Ranking Sistem
Rankings isn't fair
Lossing 90% of rank
Super bad ping and matchmaking!
Follow the flaws in my statistics
Ranking system frustrations
Ranking system idea
Necesito una Explicacion
Ranking issue with gaining percentage even if beating higher tier players or obtaining MVP
Ranking issue with gaining percentage even if beating higher tier players or obtaining MVP
They do not raise me in percentage
Ranking System Is Still Garbage
Waiting to climb Rank
Is anyone else having issues with games recording?
Problem with ranked statistics
Win 5 2v2 gnashes matches in a row and get mvp every time
Locked statistics
Tdm ranking system
The rank system does not work
is the percentages wrong to increase the rank?
2v2 percentage is damaged and it desesperates me
Fix the matchmaking
The statistics of gers of war 4
Yet another rank rant
Kimpossible to increase stats
Stats page won’t update
Im losing percentage from winning games
Rank is stuck and only moves when I lose
Ranking gears of war
Problema con la clasificación
Ranked percentage is not moving
No me suben de porcentaje en mi rango
Your ranking system is beyond trash... Period
Your ranking system is beyond trash... Period
Problems in the ranquing
Failed stats in my profile
Problemas al poder subir de rango
Problemas al poder subir de rango
Only 10% for tier 2 onxy
Can someone please explain the ranking system
Ranking sytem for Diamond players
Ranking system = garbage
I went down by winning?
problems with my guardian rank
Having problems with my 2v2 gnasher rank
Trash Gears of war 4
Ranking system broke?💥
Deranking Despite Winning With Postive KD
No mames estoy ganando y me bajan de porcentaje
How does ranking work?
Appears: Apt for Promotion, but not have 100%
Freaking ranking
My stats are locked why?
Anyone else not gaining any points by winning and getting mvp?
Competitive ranks
Gears 4 2v2 Gnashers
Keep aim assist out of Ranked Playlists! Opinions?
No rank level up i need help
Unbalanced Ranking In Games
Rank system issues
Frozen Rank stats
Sure percentage goes down is quick, but when win I get nothing
Versus stats bug
My ranking keep going down even though I win WtF!
why they lower me so much of rank!?
The ranking system broken
Not ranking up after winning many matches in a row
Win 10 Multiplay And no up, lose one and terrible
This impeccable ranking system
No sube el porsentaje de rey de la colina
Need help ! Having problems with the ranking system
The ranking sistem suck
Percentage stuck on tdm
Winning matcehes and losing precentages
Sorting failing and people leaving
Competitive ranking system
Won 3 games iin row, mvp in 2. still not moved
What happens with the gears of war 4 index
Is Unbelievable!
The system is broken
Arreglar las estadísticas de este juego
Clarification about errors
Fix the rank sistem!
My rank is not working
Yet another ranking system complaint/Rant
no percentage increases where I am a diamond, why?
Ranked question
Ranked system, my teammates go up and i go up 0%
Why not upgrade my rank on TDM?
Losing RANK progress when teammates leave
Is the Ranking system of gears 5 gona stay like this for the next few years?
Ranked it's working right?
Stat percentages are frozen
My stats are locked why?
Ranking system - please improve
Frozen ranking issues
Estadísticas trabadas en todos mis modos de juego
Wtf rank, i didn't know
TDM rank "stuck "
Come on dammm plz
This is getting annoying
Versus KOTH Rank Coalition!
Rank ing problems
This games ranking system is stupid!
Rank so bad man

I have an Idea for a new ranking system that might make everyone happy:

Every win gives a fixed amount of percent, let’s say 10%.
If a player get’s MVP, they get 15%
if a player is on the bottom of the scoreboard, they get 5% for a win.

Now, if a player loses, they lose 10%
If that player got MVP, they would lose 5%
People on the bottom of the scoreboard lose 15% for a loss.

This seems like a balanced system to me, give me constructive criticism by replying to me.

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It would be too easy to boost noobs to max rank. You can perform poorly or mediocre and still get carried because you get 10% per game.

There is also the issue that as long as you win more than 50% of your games, you will always be ranking up (on average). And that means way too many people would get to max rank after a certain amount of time.

In fact, it wouldn’t even matter the quality of players you play against. The system you suggested could only work if it always matched you up against opponents of equal skill. If there is any sort of imbalance (which there most often is), then it doesn’t really work.

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There should NOT be a set amount of people that can be in any ranking pool at any time.

Stopping people from ranking up, because that rank is already “full”, is pointless.

There should not be a cap on how many are ALLOWED to be a certain rank.

I’m no Onyx player, but if I was, I shouldn’t have to “wait in line” to be able to attain it.

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It’s not really like that. You can still overtake people. Think about it like this: Diamond is given to the top 1000 people on the leaderboard. You can always break into that top 1000 and push someone out to 1001.

At least, that’s my understanding.

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Sure, but players who reach a certain rank, but do not want to lose it, remaining idle, and play other playlists, a player can only bounce down a rank, if they themselves earned that derank

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They say it can happen but I don’t think it does. When I got my D5 in Escalation this season I decided to play solo and I lost a few games (left some as well when I was down a player) and I’ve been at 1.86% for a while now, just shy of the demotion threshold which I believe is 1.50%.

I struggle to believe that since then, not a single player has done good enough to push me out of Diamond 5, especially considering that pros (Former Supremacy, now Fable) play Ranked quite a lot and are D4. They are clearly better than me.

Again, it could happen and I could be wrong, but I’ve yet to see someone pushed out of Diamond by not playing the mode.

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Yeah I have the same skepticism as you.

At the same time, I have never not been able to get D1 or D5. So are those idle players really locking all the spots? Not in my experience. I’ve also never lost a percent from being idle. So are people able to push me out? Not in my experience. Seems like I just contradicted myself.

I just trust the devs because none of us (the players) have enough info to say otherwise.

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  • The system is working as intended but I’m pretty sure that “it’s not updating as it should”. For example: 5 diamonds vs 5 silver, system predicts diamond win with a 100% chance and that’s reasonable but by whatever reason by the middle of the game it’s no longer a 5v5 but rather a 2v5. Is it still reasonable for the 2 diamonds to take the win? modes without objectives maybe but KOTH and Escalation I don’t think so, it’s just not possible yet the forums are plagued by reports of players losing rank in “unfair” situations. The system is there, it just doesn’t take into consideration what happens after the beginning of round 1.

  • Higher ranks should “defend” their ranks, something like the system the ATP (tennis) has: you made 10% on month 1 - week 1, you need to “validate” those points on month 2 - week 1 and if you don’t you lose rank. As far as I know, you can reach X rank on the first week of the season while never playing again and you will keep that rank, it’s fine for lower tiers but diamond being locked to a specified number is not (I’ve read way to many posts about people being locked on high % on onyx 3).

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I like the idea of everyone knowing exactly how the system works as opposed to “hmmm I guess I’m ok with the systems guess” (Trueskill is still at about 60% or so).

Fixed stats? sounds great but is has one small problem: If I play in the same team as the winner and MVP, all I have to do is hide in the corner while the top player on the other team scores 10 times higher, get’s second place and gains nothing?. I made it to onyx within a few days and gained % even when I lost so it’s not just winning.

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Currenly playing rank3d TDM and so far all matches i played so far are against Onyx 3s and diamond and yet Im a silver toer. How can low skilled stand a chance against these high skilled players?

This only tells me one thing, while I see few Gold’s its clear silver and bronze people are put off playing tdm, well during what time im playing. Because of playing and losing against high skilled players, this gives me a high temptation to quit.

Gears 4 matchmaking needs some serious overhaul, I shouldnt be matchmaking with onyx and diamonds. If it needs to matchmake me with other regions with a similar skill / rank to mine

Here is the proof:

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And how about you put the connection quality in the rankings equation?
I don’t remember seeing Diamond with <60ms ping… That says enough about the Rankings design, right?

Edit:
Rankings should serve only one purpose: equally balanced teams.

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Your system may be performing as expected but that is only due to its limitations, it’s extremely crude and unsophisticated.

As you well know I’m sure most gamers don’t stack up, and if you want your game to sell, well…you get the picture.

In a nutshell, It’s ridiculous that we need to stack up in order to move up, no matter if you MVP, most kills, etc. etc.

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I’ve noticed that lately you only earn percentage with high K / D ratios.

For example playing in koth with 4 other friends I won 8 consecutive games in 3 days (now I’m onyx 2) against opponents of my level and also against diamonds.
At the 5 consecutive match won we had against 2 boys diamond 4 and 1 diamond 2 and the other onyx.
Although we beat them, I did not earn anything.
I have not earned anything for 7 consecutive games. After the 8th victory a poor increase of 8% that I lost shortly after losing in 2 consecutive 4vs5 games.
Most of the games I win do not give me% increases, just a defeat and it drops a lot.
I’m not the one who does more kills in the team, but the one that gives more support, is a necessary role in a team but apparently not results.

my competitive K / D ratio is 1.25 and W/ L 57% (I played 1370 koth games)

There are obvious problems in the rankings … in season 2 I was stuck in onyx 3 88% in koth for more than 1 month … The percentage has never gone up once. NEVER. on the other hand, as soon as I lost a game, I took it off.

With this system take 1 step forward and 5 back.

Another problem are the games that end 4/3/2/1 vs 5. I noticed that if you are in the losing team (and outnumbered) you lose percentage (despite the obvious disparity). While if you win in the 5-player team the% freezes and you earn nothing.

Sincerely now as I am not interested in degrees, because they are blocked as they are, not to mention that every time you start a season you switch from 3 onyx to gold 1.
So for me the diamond remains unattainable, but having more balanced teams with a more efficient system is something you have to work on.

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My main issue when trying to rank up is getting such small gains or no gains whatsoever.

This should not be the case - especially not gaining even 1% for a 20-30 minute match on KOTH after winning 2-0.

I have been stuck in Onyx 2 around the 60-90% since the season 4 started.

I climb very slowly to around 90%.

Last time out I lost two games in a row paired to a 5-stack team of;

Diamond 5
Diamond 5
Diamond 5
Diamond 5
Diamond 3

My team:

Diamond 2
Onyx 3
Onyx 3
Onyx 3
Onyx 2

So it paired us twice agaisnt this game squad.

Fair to say they each had about 20 downs!!! I very rarely encounter such a playstyle of solid Lancer fire but anyway, the point is,

We lost first match 2-0.

Then 2-1.

I went from 92% to 70%.

So about 2 weeks of grinding from about 58% to 92% wiped out in two games.

“The system is working as intended”

Come on now, how is that working as intended?

Why would any of the Onyx players have to suffer drops agaisnt such unequal team?

The system is clearly not working as intended because if that’s intended, it’s not a fair or coherent system.

You end up cheating players out of all that time spent in the game.

My individual performance wasn’t even that bad, first match was unexpected so I was 7/10 - remeber I was lowest ranked.

Next match I was like 4/10.

These are the issues that I think others experince.

*Not getting ANY percentage after a long match and winning 2-0 or winning all rounds.

*Losing massive chunks of percentage when you are heavily outranked by Opposition and end up losing all round or majority of rounds.

:-1:

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Good afternoon/ morning coalition employees and community members ,
Firstly i wanted to say mechanically i adore this gears; i’ve played since one and Gamebattles since 2 - previously for fun but now am attempting to take it seriously . Whilst i think escalation was a wonderful and creative addition to GoW and have a great deal of fun playing it; there are several issues i’ve found one is losing % when other players quit ranked this happens often whether its someone in my team or the other, Another is mismatching of rank to point where in escalation ive had bronzes on my team with two onyx 3 players on other side ive also had this happen where silvers are matched against onyxs as well which could exacerbate quitting due to the gulf in skill- a further issues would be premade 4/5 stacks going up against team of people who are solo quing which due to communication disadvantage is extremely difficult to win against a decent 5 stack.

Another problem ive experienced for several months is losing percent from two or one loses that wipe out 6-7 wins or several days of grinding- additionally i feel having the option to leave from start encourages players to leave when tilted. ive also had abuse thrown at me for simply asking teammates not to get in chunk range, cross and rotate to hill when trip cap is coming through and they are in position to get a touch- its frustrating as its preventing me from getting back in onyx then getting to diamond in escalation which would be handy as im putting a team together to go lan and know so players wouldn’t take me seriously given my rank or GB record despite being able to hang with diamonds and competitive players. if these issues aren’t addressed within next few months i fear we will not only lose more of the player base but the growth of the competitive community in EU, LA and NA will be hindered as less new players will be coming through- it’ll also n doubt hurt sales for Gears 5 which is the last thing i want to happen ;especially given fact the esports has gotten investment it never had before.

Here are several suggestions you could implement to provide redress and not let your craftsmen/women ship be wasted.

  1. Use an MMR system to give more balanced lobbies if other team has either an onyx or diamond in make it so you have at least one diamond or onyx on both teams- only que silvers with gold 1/2 and gold with corresponding onyx tier if necessary .

2 remove the return to menu button until someone dashboards and only make the quitter lose percent for that match; also month or so bans for severe leavers may help too.

  1. remove core tuning- have one universal tuning as a major issue i have experienced is people playing mainly core trying escalation but getting confused at the ranges and damage of each weapon. The competitive tuning is by far superior anyway better balance and can actually strafe and has an increased ability for outplays as a result making the matches more enjoyable leading to a continual growth of the game.

  2. have set percentage inputs to balance the ranking system say 5/10 /12 % either for win or a loss 25% if quit not if you dc though.

  3. demand a set of dedicated servers from Microsoft due to the ranking and competitive ladders now being global to allow players on US ,Asia or EU serves to play a game without severe lag as whilst veterans and gb kids can play with 180-200 ping not everyone is able so to new or just casual players will either madden them or stop them playing completely/ quit.

  4. have a tier above diamond which is fo the top 200 hundred in world like masters in League, Onyx in Halo or grandmaster in smite- this would not only give people something more to grind for it’d help coaches and players improve their ability to recruit along with potentially new talent being discovered- credit goes to Optic Ashes for such a suggestion.

I’d love to hear what both the developers and community think about the suggestions i presented and am willing to talk at length about them to anyone who desires to do so.
Thank you for your time
i look forward to the replies and discourse.
Oliver Whitehead

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Also keep in mind every day people stop playing gears 4e and the broze and silver population is dying this is why your going against onix and diamonds.

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Indeed, because low skilled players have no hope in beating the high skilled. I would have thought it be the opposite. The high skilled players quit playing a particular mode to preserve their rank,

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  1. The game already uses a “true skill number” to balance matches.
  2. A loss is a loss. You can still win a 4v5.
  3. remove comp tuning- have one universal tuning as a major issue i have experienced is people playing mainly comp trying king of the hill but getting confused at the ranges and damage of each weapon. The core tuning is by far superior anyway better balance and can actually strafe and has an increased ability for outplays as a result making the matches more enjoyable leading to a continual growth of the game.
  4. Wouldn’t this be the opposite of a mmr based system?
  5. The game already runs on Microsoft’s dedicated servers.
  6. Something like diamond, but with a little more 5.
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