Lizzies fate Confirmed *Bloodlines Spoilers* (Take Two)

Gears 5
#121

Im not trying to be a d%ck or piss you off. If you dont want to respond thats fine but Ill say it anyways

No one said the civilians didnt get hurt

Getting out the back of a truck getting hit by flying debris would be a lot safer than getting out of the truck through the door thats in a direct path of the flying debris. Theres a blind spot because of where the civilians get out…I could draw you a picture if that would help you understand better

Its the way you keep saying it though. “Just a coma, scar, and burn” or “it could have been worse” makes it come off as you thinking his injuries arent that bad. Im also not ignoring what you say but you just write 3 page essays for something that could be said in 2 sentences

And after reading your post after this one,you dont know what causes a coma or how bad being in one is. So since you dont know how can you say that his injuries could have been worse?

And I asked you this with no response so I’ll ask again What could have made JDs injuries worse?

Why are you so hung up on this? She wasnt just killed for because shes a Carmine. Think about this…Would you still be saying this is if it was a different person?

#122

I said I forgot the point I was trying to make with that. Leave it be. But Del getting killed would have accomplished the same purpose there with the same or a similar effect on the characters. Well, and no Del and Fahz budding in Act 3. Could instead have been Kait and Lizzie which would have made for an interesting friendship relation, but whatever.

I missed that.
Well, for one, he could have just straight up lost his arm completely right away, instead of it at least still being on but requiring the Stim sleeve for pain management. Or he could’ve outright died, or come off with burns across the entire body instead of one arm. But this is pointless. He just was less unlucky.

#123

That’s not what I’m asking but whatever

#124

Disagree with this a lot.

It’s pretty obvious, to me atleast, that D Carmine, creator of CCC, is Lizzies dad and is still around, but D was not as much into the military life as her Uncle Clay, so she looks up to him a lot.

Clay played a part in training Lizzie, JD, Del and Fahz, A lot of people look up to Clay.

My personal thought is that Gary was perhaps one of the Civillians who left after the settlement 2 massacre.

Or he was extradited due to Gary being unstable, as seen by his MP lines.

But Oscar says he taught him everything he knows, so Gary has been their for awhile.

#125

Oscar was also drunk, also the CCC is at least 50+ Years old, due to the fact that there’s Buzzkills on the old COG mining rig in 4.

Plus Gary’s name is “Carmine” I don’t think he’s just some crazy zealot. I mean lot’s of the Gears have sadistic lines, not just Gary. I’d be more worried about Marcus looking at flayed corpses in the Slab and going, “Nice.”

And like I said before—Oscar was drunk when he said that and seems to distort the truth like when he was talking about training Kait and Kait called him out on it. Oscar isn’t what we’d call a “Reliable witness.”

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#126

So this kinda defeats the purpose of “Lizzy only got killed because shes a Carmine”

#127

How exactly when it goes to show she wouldn’t have to be killed off but TC chose her because of the Carmine thing most likely? I just picked Del because I feel like he hardly got any character development post Act 1 with the whole protesters deal being off the wall after it with him mainly being in a supporting role. But the fact that you could throw nearly any other character into that place to die in Act 1… well, I’m not really sure what that says. But it’s certainly not like Lizzie was the only one who would have had to get killed off there, someone else could’ve been in her place to trigger JDs change. So how would they have picked? The impression I got is they just picked her because “Carmine”. If you don’t think that’s why they chose her, fine.
Yes, they killed a character because of there having to be a trigger to JDs change. But they killed off Lizzie because of the Carmine thing that has outlived its usefulness and outstayed its welcome.

#128

Saying Del dying would have the same results as Lizzys death just shows you that Lizzy wasnt killed just because shes a Carmine but to progress Jds story

#129

How does it? To me it just shows that the character picked to progress JDs story is almost irrelevant so long as it is one JD knew. Given that there was no proper criteria to pick one so they seem to just have been like, “Hey, Lizzie’s a Carmine, let’s just kill her since we can’t figure out how to properly pick a character to kill off there for JDs story”. Of course they killed her for JDs story, but my impression isn’t that they chose her because she would be the only catalyst for it, just that they needed ANY character to kill off. So they picked the one who would have been more interesting to have along than Del and killed her because Carmine. Whether you think it is an accurate impression or not or agree with it, I don’t really care too much. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinion after all.

Granted, though, saying that Del could have been the death there just as well is hindsight given that he had very little character development and influence on the story past Act 1 or 2.

#130

Thanks for proving my point. It doesnt matter who got killed there so being a Carmine isnt the only reason she died

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#131

So… what? What are you trying to prove with that point? That they didn’t have to kill Lizzie off? You’re really just confusing me at this point. If any character fits, why would they not have gone with Del? His role and Lizzie’s feel somewhat exchangeable with some alterations to cutscenes and the dialogue later on, assuming Lizzie would have been used to replace Del in Act 2 and onward.

#132

My point is your so hung up on the fact that the only reason she died was because shes a Carmine which isnt the case

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#133

Yall making me regret making this thread

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#134

Yeah, sure. Of course Lizzie died for JDs story because that’s how they chose to go with it, but she wasn’t the only choice and not necessary. With how things turned out, yes, she died for JDs story. But with the whole character exchangeability, it could have been different, and should have been as long as it affected JD in the same way. They chose her FOR JDs story, which she died for, but it feels like it wasn’t the sole motivation for that when I feel like Del would have been the better choice there, now(I really shouldn’t have to repeat it at this point… but if one of the developers goes “She’s a Carmine” when asked why Lizzie had to die, what am I to think?).

#135

Even if Lizzy survived

Whos to even say that Lizzy would have been the one to go with Kait?

Whos to say we would have even seen Lizzy after that?

#136

We won’t know. That’s the thing. There’s a lot of what if’s involved, that wouldn’t have to be and yet are. What’s to say Kait and Lizzie wouldn’t get into a friendship deep enough for Lizzie to ignore orders from JD and go with Kait, after JD starts to ignore them or push them away? There is less immediate connecting factors for Kait and Lizzie to “hook up”, so to speak, but it would have made it all the more interesting if it did happen then. Maybe being around Kait could’ve made her be a bit more wary around being pro-COG or less militaristic or something, which could be used as an explanation to go with Kait in Act 2, rather than following JDs orders.

But it’s all pointless since it won’t happen as we clearly kill off the better characters that could have gotten interesting developments right off the bat now, and the ones that could still use development(Del) don’t get any and are then wasted in a “choice” that isn’t really a choice because it will most likely(99% likely) be JD who gets chosen as the canon survivor.

#137

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#138

Considering the options are JD or Del–it’s actually only 50% likely.

Lizzie is an engineer and it seems she was only evacuating people in Set. 2. It wouldn’t of made sense for her to go to the Riftworm village in the first place.

Beyond, “This character had a cool intro so make them last longer.”

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#139

To you there are but to others there isnt

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#140

JD’s hospital bed was probably right next to a chest-high wall, and he managed to avoid further damage while the blood fell off his face as determined by Gears game mechanics. :sunglasses: