it was in JD’s mind. As @RezRoller09 pointed out quite truthfully, JD’s decision to “be a hero” was probably influenced by the fact that suddenly Del and Kait had been turned against him. I can’t think of another scenario where the Hammer could’ve been omitted for another choice. What? Shoot the Swarmaks? Which have been established to be very,very hard and time-consuming to try and kill without special equipment? Even if it existed and wasn’t immediately taken down by Swarm Flock, what could a Condor have done, try to kamikaze and just get blown up mid-air by the Swarmaks?
JD’s choice to use the Hammer wasn’t well-gauged but it seemed as if even Baird was surprised when it malfunctioned. He couldn’t have known it would backfire to the extent that it did.
I think we can all agree that we want want TC to pull a Boba Fett and MacGyver some kind of way for Lizzie to have survived/retcon her pointless death because ‘LoL sHe’s A cArMinE sO ShE mUsT dIe HurR dUrr’.
Gears 5 blew me away with the character writing; they made the boring newbies of Gears 4 likeable (even Oscar, how thf did they pull that off?!) and Lizzie was hands-down one of the coolest of the new characters to be introduced.
It felt so needless to bump her off when she could’ve easily acted from the sidelines as her being the JD to Clayton’s Marcus standpoint- carrying the torch of being the NEW Carmine face of the franchise.
Anthony Carmine was just a dude who died that ended up becoming extremely popular, which came to the creation of Benjamin Carmine and a bit more fleshing-out of the Carmine family. Ben’s death had impact because he made an impression on Marcus.
Gary was a nice little easter egg in Gears 4, so his death was a nice little nod.
Lizzie’s felt a bit unnecessary when in all honesty, JD’s transformation into the taciturn, by-the-books ■■■■■■■ could’ve easily been achieved by just, saaaay…having the Hammer obliterate the trucks and kill all the civilians, whilst Lizzie is herself alright, but fails to save them alongside JD, who in turn takes the full blame for what happened.
I think it shows how quickly an unprepred Gear dies against the Locust.
Benjamin shows what it means to try and be a Hero. It never ends well.
Gary shows us that Oscar wasn’t a good teacher–not much there because he didn’t have much of a charatcer.
Lizzie shows us another fault of the Fenix’s. I think Marcus always blamed himself for Benjamin’s death as Benji always wanted to be a hero like Marcus or Clayton; like how Anthony looks up to him in the Raven, “Wow, cool!” It was his inspiration that led to Benji trying to be a hero and why he died. In Gears 3 when Clay gets shot down only Marcus goes “Carmine!” because he’s worried about getting Clayton killed too.
Then Lizzie is at fault of JD, continuing that family legacy of being a stand-out leader type that unintentionally getting a Carmine killed. Same thing in 4 kinda.
The fact that they tell us Clay taught Lizzie alongside Del and JD makes her death more personal, more tolling on JD. Like I said about Marcus and Benjamin’s relationship in 2.
No, but he was definitely aware that the Hammer beam would be difficult to control with only a single satellite available, which he also told Kait, Del and JD. The only thing I see that was not expected by Baird is losing connection to the satellite while it was firing, seemingly without any targeting parameters that time. Whether that was due to it being a prototype(cannot imagine those things wouldn’t have failsafes built in if connection to the control center was lost), or something else, anyone’s guess.
That’s pretty much what I was thinking earlier, even if it seems like an extreme measure, and it’s doubtful the Swarmaks could completely obliterate an entire Condor before it came crashing down into them. They might blow holes into it, but literally completely obliterating it so it proved to be of no danger at all? I doubt it. The wreckage or a large portion of what I believe is called the fuselage would still fall onto those Swarmaks and if not kill them at least stun them temporarily and take out other Swarm around and beneath them, unless they landed a lucky hit on something that caused the entire machine to just blow apart into such small pieces that they proved no harm to anybody.
Otherwise, the COG does have Vultures. You know, that bigger, armed version of the Condor that proved to be a royal pain in Gears 4 on Insane and Inconceivable? Drop pods with DBs, incendiary bombs, a bunch of guns. One of those might have been nearby if the COG had deemed it worthy to send one over with the Swarm assaulting the Settlement. I doubt it would have been taken down if the Swarmaks even managed that, before it dropped a whole bunch of Incendiary bombs on them, but again, it would depend on one being nearby.
And we have only seen Swarm Flocks take down Ravens, not an entire Condor, so forgive me for daring to assume they are not anywhere near as at risk as those to them. Particularly since they have been shown to be flying around in areas with Flocks in them with no complications if they were simply doing a sweep of the area. Or perhaps Flocks simply avoid Condors if they’re not crashed down somewhere. I would imagine a similar thing to what happens to birds getting caught in turbines or propellers would happen if a Flock got caught in those of a Condor. If the Leeches don’t just get shredded with no consequence to the aircraft.
I’ll be honest - I may be too pessimistic about humanity here, but I really don’t expect many, if any, civilians who’ve lived or grown up in a New COG Settlement to know they would be better off keeping their calm even in a situation of danger and to get out if they can when it proves to be too dangerous to remain in a particular spot, or to just not freeze in fear/panic. I seriously doubt that a lot or the majority of the civilians decided to leave the convoy trucks when the Hammer started to go out of control. So the way I see it, JD still killed more than he saved with his misplaced attempt at heroism.
By the way, what did Ben bring to the story? All I ever thought regarding his death is that he could’ve survived and Delta wouldn’t have ended up inside the Riftworm if he’d taken less time to get on the Raven.
He tried to be a hero. A theme expanded upon in Judgement. he looked up to Marcus and Clayton so much, that it misplaced his goals and judgement in combat, he tried to be the hero and keep the Locust away just a little longer as Delta waited for him.
And his appreciation for Marcus build’s his connection to Clayton, as I explained is probably why Marcus was the only one to call out to Clay as he got shot down, feeling responsible for influencing Benjamin before his death.
I was always wondering why Marcus called out when Clayton’s Raven got taken down by the Tempest. Guess that answers that.
Edit : By the way…
It served JDs story. Which in turn then influenced Kait’s and Del’s, in a more minor way. And I surely don’t need to mention that you’ll probably find a few disagreements on that. But really, I find JDs turn alone was not enough to justify the way they killed her off(which still reeks of “She died because ‘She’s a Carmine’.” far more than it should). It just feels more like they killed her “for the memes” than they did to have a more significant trigger for JDs change. But I don’t feel her influence was great enough that her death really felt deserved(if such a term can be used for that).
And I’ll be honest, much as I like Del, if it was him who’d died in Act 1 instead of Lizzie, I’d have been interested in a friendship relation between Kait and Lizzie, if such a thing developed between the two of them(assuming he would have reacted in the same way he did with Del and Kait prior to Act 3 after his turn due to the mess he caused with the Hammer in the actual timeline, just pushing away Lizzie and Kait that time around due to being afraid his actions might end up harming them) after JD pushed Lizzie away, and if Kait had somehow gotten closer to her. That would have left the question of who to use as the other “choice”… but I’m sure TC could have come up with a different character than Del(and who wasn’t Lizzie) to use in that scenario. Fahz maybe. And if you then saved Fahz instead of JD(though I’m not sure who would’ve, outside of a second playthrough to see what the other scenario was), Lizzie would be the one to come with the Minotaur to pick them up and try making a joke about how she tried getting them at Settlement 2 only to notice JD was missing and ask where he was…
But those are just theories. Or trains of thought that’ll never happen. Still, I think they could’ve done better with her. Even if they still thought she had to die, at least give her a better sendoff than dying terrified in a truck while doing nothing(or rather, hardly anything, because she could have done more to try getting that jammed door open) about the situation.
She would have been dead the moment she opened the drivers side door. It was getting completely shot up thats the whole reason she jumped to the other side
You keep bringing this up but dont seem to understand Lizzy got blown up inside the truck from the explosion while JD got blown away from the truck from the explosion which you actually have some chance at survival with injuries like coma, injuries that never truly heal and need some type of constant medication. The hammer isnt what injured JD it was the truck exploding. The hammer was about the same distance from JD as it was Marcus and Co and nothing happened to them
You seem to be so hung up on the fact that JD was “just in a coma, has a burned arm, and a scar”
While in reality he has what seems like some type permanent damage to his arm that needs constant medication, The scar was from his face being split open, and ended up in coma. Have you ever “just” been in a coma. Its not something you take lightly
Its their story at the end of the day not Lizzys so of course its gonna serve JD, Kait, and Del
Because she totally would have died from the Swarm that got killed by the Hammer beam while she would have had a few seconds to go out through the door that was not broken and try to make a run for it with no Swarm in sight to shoot at anyone while the Hammer was circling around the back of the truck to the second Minotaur.
And what you seem to miss is that I’m not taking JDs injuries lightly, but he could have come off a lot worse there. More than what did happen to him. I simply don’t see how the explosion was enough for him to not suffer even worse injuries than he actually did. And if his face was “split open” like you say, wouldn’t he just be dead or missing like, half of or a part of it?
Missing the point. I made that statement simply because it was mainly for JDs personal story that they killed her off, while it seems to have had much less of an effect on Del and Kait(although I’m uncertain for Del since he probably also was trained alongside her, but we don’t really know if there was ever any relation between Del and Lizzie, so there’s no telling whether it really did anything to him or not). So to me, her overall influence was still limited as it mainly changed one character. Whose own changes then had some influence on Kait and Del, which may or may not have had some impact on the story.
But I’m clearly constantly getting misinterpretations of what I’m saying so I’m just getting to a point of not bothering.
Especially when those drudges are standing between you and Griffin’s other tower on insane…I died more there than any other lambent fight in the game. The stupid stalk keeps spawning even if you destroy the pods, more freaking pods kept spawning as well as enemies, and the brain dead a.i. wouldn’t help properly
Speaking of Tai they did the same with him as they did to Lizzie. Bad ■■■ new char. Neat personality with rapport and history with prior characters. Bye bye enjoy being dead.
That was the hardest part of Gears 3 for me for sure. 3 Stalks, with pods regrowing so I could never escape the one Grenadier at the start charging me while I get hounded by wretches. And there’s no stalling it out either because of limited ammo, teammates getting downed, and the Drudges all mutate, you HAVE to be in the thick of it and take down the stalks.
I guess the most brutal Lambent fight would be at the Imulsion Refinery after all.
I think they left him alone until the very end because they planned to have that shot with his helmet to be the telling scene. Either it would’ve been Clayton picking it up (Which it was) or another Gear we know picking it up all sad–sounds like a Cole thing.
