Also if he were to go out the only thing hes allowed to scream is BACON!!!
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Exactly. If I canât see you, you canât see me
Wrong.
Shooting himself was just he cover story for his being âdisappearedâ to Azura, he didnât actually off himself. General Bardy Salaman. I didnât even have to look that up. Man I could take Parasidianâs job as resident lore nerd. Maybe not.
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Epic did the same with Tai. Worf getting his â â â kicked and thrown across a room to show how tough the crewâs enemy is. Basically they take a quote unquote tough character and kill them off or beat their â â â to show off the new mary sue villains.
Yeah, too bad it was JDâs stupidity that ended up killing her and not the Swarm. Getting killed while fighting them would at least have done her character more justice than the stupid mess we got. So in the end, all it really showed is that JD was an irresponsible, stupid, reckless idiot until it finally backfired on him(thankfully, in a wayâŚ). I wonder how differently things would have gone if his recklessness got Del killed in the rocket silo.
If he hadnât used hammer of dawn the swarmaks would have killed the civilians, most of them got out.
JDâs use of the hammer saved lives. It costed Lizzieâs hers and that â â â â blows.
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Two of the three trucks were obliterated while the civilians were still in them. Iâd hardly call that âmost of themâ. And the Hammer definitely wasnât their only option, it should have been an extreme last resort yet it wasnât used as that. The first thing they could have done was to call in some DBs as a distraction and lay a smokescreen so some of them could free Lizzieâs truck and allow the convoy to back off or move forward and away from the Swarm. Yes, the Flocks could corrupt the DBs, but they would have been destroyed there anyway and it would have bought them at least a few seconds, since no Flocks were nearby and would have taken some time to get there. Hell, maybe they could even have called in a Vulture to bomb the Swarm, if one was nearby. The entire scene with how JD acts, it just reeks of him wanting to âprove himselfâ instead of being serious about it. Who in their right mind would even use themselves as a Hammer of Dawn target? And charge right off into the middle of three Swarmaks with multiple Drones and Scions armed with Boomshots? Heâs lucky they didnât just shoot him down or blow him to pieces.
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I think they tried to portray JD to be a little more like Marcus. Same type of heroism with consequences for actions.
While Lizzie seemed to be a very likable character, TC just followed the model of kill a Carmine mindlessly.
At least I guess Lizzie got a few voice lines. We never knew Gary. His voice lines in MP are hilarious though.
The new writer is certainly not Karen Traviss. I think character development is her specialty.
I suppose youâre right in that regard with how she still managed to get some character development for Marcus when he was intended as a developed character from the start. Though I have sometimes felt a bit critical with how Traviss seemed to take certain characters and wrote them with her own views on them rather than what the character was about(Dr Halsey in the Halo books, to name an example and the one Iâm most familiar with). Though those cases are admittedly rather rare.
But didnât she say she wouldnât return as a writer to Gears anyway?
And this pretty much sums up why I hate the fact that they killed her off :
The whole thing just gave me that impression. They could have killed anyone JD knew well there and trigger his guilt trip to becoming more order/COG-oriented, but they just had to kill Lizzie, one of the best characters theyâve made yet, because âSheâs a Carmine.â, as they just seem to view those characters as a running joke, considering certain tweets and dev stream responses I have seen/heard(âWhy did Lizzie have to die?â âBecause sheâs a Carmine!â - Dana, and yes, thatâs literally how he responded to the question on the dev stream with the Campaign director on⌠ridiculous). No more, no less. If it made the impression come across that it was simply intended to be for JDs character development, then I would be less annoyed about it, but it doesnât even feel like that.
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See, I have myself aquainted with the Lore of the main characters and some side bits here and there, but the smaller characters that only appear in the books and comics, or collectibles I can only ever remember bits and pieces from whenever Iâm looking at the wiki to do more research on the COG.
The one truck got blown up with people in it, the other one was completely stationary and more than likely people got out because they had just seen the other truck get blown up.
And all of that is far fetched, the swarmaks were down the block, no DBâs were near and no ravens would have been sent in because of flocks. Just like earlier in the chapter.
Itâs very likely there were still Condors nearby. So even if no DBs were near, could it have been that difficult to drop some in? Hell, worst case, Baird could have even made a Condor(as in, the actual plane) drop right on the Swarm, though Iâm not sure if that would kill or just temporarily make the Swarmaks disoriented. I didnât even mention Ravens so I donât know where you came up with that. JD told Baird to not send anyone DB reinforcements even when they asked, knowing they could be corrupted and turned against them, but in an extreme situation like that I would see it justified despite that risk. Hell, just dropping some smoke to cover the convoy could have made the Swarmaks turn their attention on something that they could actually visibly see, rather than taking blind shots against something they wouldnât know if it was still there.
And you can call it whatever you want, but claiming the Hammer was the only option when everyone there or at the very least JD was aware that the Hammer was not reliable isnât something that can be done. He didnât even consider any alternatives, he just decides to call on the Hammer straight away while being fully aware it could not be fully relied upon. And you saying the civilians of the second truck that got destroyed got out is also far fetched, they were likely afraid and may not have noticed the third Minotaurâs destruction, or thought it safer to stay in it. Itâs very likely they were all killed along with the driver(s). Did you see anyone leave the second truck behind Lizzieâs? The civilians in hers even only left when JD came behind it to tell them to get out of there.
Besides that, JD clearly didnât just call in the Hammer strike because he falsely believed it was the only option, he also acted like he was committing some super heroic act in order to âprove himselfâ and listened neither to Marcusâ advice prior in New Ephyra not Bairdâs warnings that he might be unable to control the beam properly and that it was a crazy idea. It ended up killing more people than it saved, and was just a reckless and stupid act.
But itâs somewhat pointless trying to argue about it in the end anyway, for what should have been done. There were other possible options but they werenât even considered by the guy who wasnât even technically the commanding officer of the group and known to take excessive risks that were not at all necessary, and well, we all know what that resulted in.
But it doesnât change that Iâm still not seeing the point in killing Lizzie off like that, and while if this is considered from an in-universe perspective, the civilians would matter if you were trying to save them, from a story or character standpoint, the civilians are not really relevant, and JD still managed to kill more than he ended up saving in his failed attempt to protect the convoy, and that the scene just doesnât make much sense with how JD survives it and gets away with âjustâa coma, scar and burned arm while Lizzie gets killed when there was practically no distance between him and the Hammer beam either, and how she doesnât even try making a run for it through the intact door while the Hammer beam is circling around the back instead of futile attempts to open the jammed door, and how despite requiring several seconds of retargeting prior, the Hammer beam magically teleports around to the side of the intact door again immediately because âplot reasonsâ. And why they really chose her to be killed off there and then.
Or that Lizzie was purely and simply wasted potential. I mean, seriously. I donât mean to sound heartless, but how much would those civilians have meant to the players there? Or even to the characters? What would their point in the story be? âJD saved civilians.â, but what tells you that there couldnât have been other means than killing two thirds of the convoy and Lizzie in the process, ones that would have saved all of them instead?
I could really let myself out on this even more. But what point is there, itâs not like TC would listen to any of it anyway. Lizzie deserved to live, or the scene of her âdeathâ should just have been different and not full of holes, if there.
âAnd he made Raam look like a pushover.â
Well that was a disappointment.
Also known today as âjobbingâ.
And we know aaaaallll about that, donât we Ghost?
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Was wondering when youâd show up to this topic.
Skorge didnât really make RAAM look like a pushover. One had a badass entrance walking through fire while casually stopping a chainsaw with his hand and then stabbing Minh like it was nothing(at least in UE, thatâs the scene), while the other just comes out of the ground, saws a tank in half, screams a lot and chainsaw duels Dizzy(and Tai?). But maybe thatâs just meâŚ
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Thatâs the whole point of it to begin with. To stain JDâs character even more as he tries to prove himself to be a hero when all of Act 1 focuses on how bad of a leader he was.
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Oh I know, Skorge is arguably the most inflated high-rank Locust in Gears next to Karn, I didnât start to really like him until Rise of Raam lol
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Why donât you remember that the swarmaks were
legit down the block moving towards them at a pace that can be only called an immediate threat and not miles away like you want them to be.
And are you kidding me lmao, youâre trying to argue that they stayed in the truck because they thought it was safer despite legit seeing and hearing the other truck get blown to â â â â seconds before that? Lizzie Immediately said everybody out and the other driver would have told the people the same thing because he was even closer to the other truck that just got blown to nothing.
We didnât see any civilians get out because we didnât see the back of the truck. You want more civilians to be dead to fit your narrative, no matter what scheme you try to explain, they just donât fit the in timeline of literal seconds they had between the few hundred yards of them and the swarm.
Was the hammer the only choice, yeah. What else could have worked? Delta firing Lancers at swarmaks? Magic Deus ex machina DBâs that appear out of thin air? Condors that have been flying in the air and donât run out of fuel?
Lizzie died, she didnât need too. Iâve voiced my frustrations that the Carmine Curse is so stupid and contrived at this point. Theyâre limiting their story telling by introducing characters that are just killed off. At some point Marcus, Baird, Cole, Sam, and the rest of the OGâs are gonna die of old age and weâre gonna be left with characters that could have been more.
And about your JD gripes, his big secret just was exposed maybe about 3 minutes prior to this. That probably influenced his decision more than it should have. But it did.
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First off⌠youâre starting to come off as aggressive. Secondly⌠are you one of the civilians in that truck? Do you know how you would have reacted there? What if nobody saw that other truck getting blown up by the Hammer?
Lizzie only says that once the Hammer beam starts to approach the other two trucks. And given that no civilians appeared to have left hers, do you think anyone in the back heard her?
And Iâm really not seeing where youâre doing all these â â â pulls from. Do I want more civilians dead? No. But those Swarm also were in a different road that the convoy may not have needed to cross or drive through in order to get out of there. But youâre also trying to fit the scenario exactly to your contrived view that the Hammer strike was their only option when it absolutely wasnât. So Iâm done trying to argue. Bye.