Let's have an honest conversation about the state of Gears 5 and this community

Earn them, just like Perks should be.

Engineers are an important character in every team, there should be a permanant slot for the Engineer, and an option to drop in or out.
And, it is not terrible. This is your opinion, respected though, it is your opinion. The game itself states Engineers are an important character to have, and so many times it has been proven true.

Haha I actually ended up buying the special edition crom Game the moment the store opened, in Oxford Circus. I refused to give Zavvi my business after that debacle and I was delighted at the time to see them go out of business shortly thereafter! Yes, I was bitter.

I love the new Gears!! I havent played since gears 3 and just recently started into 5. Love it!! There are some things that could be done but it has nothing to do with maps and skins. I guess if all you do is versus you would get board pretty quick by the repetitiveness and want to flash it up a bit but you should be used to being board anyway. Most versus players are 1 dimensional and their play does not translate to other modes which is where a lot of the problems come from I think. It’s rather obvious when you have people who run around out of cover in Elite Horde that people should learn how to play before they complain. It’s not TC’s fault that you’re a moron. And unless you play PvE, why would you complain about the maps? If you have maxed character’s and have completed every map on Master then yeah, you could probably find reason to demand more maps.

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We already earn our energy through kills and team work.
Also, I can see the sentry spammers becoming more abundant if it worked this way. I really don’t miss them.

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I don’t think Gears 5 is a “bad game” by any means. Ride to Hell Retribution is a bad game. The problem with this game, like you’ve already stated, was that TC made a huge gamble on the structuring of the game and delivery of content, which backfired immediately. Because of this, yeah, the community was ticked and went to the forums and DEV Posts to rant. Unfortunately, ranting just makes everyone look bad and childish. If you want something to change, you need to lay out what is broken, and how it can be fixed. Sure, the argument can be made that we’re not the ones to fix it, but at the same time, screaming and swearing will do little good.

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If tc made some errors and are trying to fix it now, that’s good.
I agree in general we have been hard on them. It seems some things cannot be fixed, like unresponsiveness and sponging… It’s still possible to have some fun.
One thing i am having trouble forgiving them for is the melee in gears 5.i played consistently for a couple weeks but i can’t get into it at the moment. The first thing opponents are trying in all recent games I’ve had is melee. Sometimes they don’t even shoot first. They literally wall bounce and melee. Now you can make the case that it’s counterable etc but it’s still trash and players quickly start doing it excessively lest they get merked by it. I don’t know about everyone else but I didn’t fall in love with gears just so it can become a melee fest. I don’t get it and it needs to be fixed asap.
Also fix not being able to vote on a map. We’ve had title updates and it still has not been fixed (correct me if I’m wrong).
And tour of duty is kind of useless for stubborn people like me who just play one or two modes. Kinda sucks but hopefully some stuff will trickle to the store.

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Sentry Spammers give Engineers a bad name. I hate them too. You can always tell when there is a Noob on the field. I build Shock Sentries, and i build MG Sentries to protect the Shocks. I never build Sentries to steal kills. My job as the Engineer is to protect my team, and i take that role seriously.
So, yeah, Sentry spammers, are a bad thing. As for earning your Energy, not every one does, but they take full advantage of those that do. Experience is what you need for Perks, not Energy. Energy is a resource used for build and repairing, it is, and should be for the Engineer.
As for, buying Grenades and anything else, again, Experience. You get nothing in life for free, and it should be so for games like this. Every one pulls their weight, or simply put, they are no good to anyone, including themselves. Why The Coalition did not think of this is beyond me, unless they have turned in to Activision, make games piss easy that anyone can play, therefore making the game not worth playing.
So, i say again. Energy for the Engineer, Perks and anything else, you earn by experience.

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Please ,please make this a reality ,cd projekt just do truly amazing games… Also i know people on this forum will come out in drones to bash me for saying this but “outriders” by people can fly looks awesome.

I totally disagree with your suggestion. The issue is lack of teamwork and communication. Horde is and always has been a team game. You constantly go on about bad team mates disrespecting the engineer with their actions, but it’s not a one-way street. I would also suggest that given you mostly play engineer, that the majority of situations where a team mate does something stupid/naive/selfish then it’s going to disproportionate seem like people are disrespecting the engineer role, but equally these actions will probably have an effect on other players and their roles too.

I’ve said it time and time again, restricting all building, upgrading, power usage, fabricator placement etc is an extremely poor idea which completely imbalances the role of the engineer and puts far too much control in their hands. It just punishes teams who actually work as teams, which is the ethos of Horde.

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Not trying to be rude or cynical but you know who the fortnite players are in gears 5…they have the bright skins and they don’t utilize the cover provided for them. “Tell me i’m wrong Dan?”

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I liked in 4 that anyone could build anything, but it was just horribly inefficient. It made sense.
Kait and Lahni can’t even build anything! Not even a filthy wire.

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You’re not wrong my good friend @The_Bozzmeister , you’re exactly right.

Yeah. I guess my view is, that players should have as much freedom and flexibility as possible including all characters to be able to build at least something, but with discount and fortification buffs etc being allocated to the engineer. I fully recognise that this also leads to some players using this freedom and flexibility unwisely, but that’s always a possibility. The key as I’ve always said, is that Horde is a team game. GOW is a team based cover-based shooter. It’s always played in a squad. The DBNO mechanic is proof of this.

The Hero system in itself has both given us some freedom, but also restricted us even more.

If a team wants to attempt Horde on the hardest difficulty with 4 Scouts and 1 Engineer, or with no Engineer at all, why shouldn’t they? These kinds of individual challenges should be encouraged. It’s a bit like that other forum thread about playing Horde without JD - it’s a nice change of scene and challenges players to break away from the usual meta. In my opinion the engineer should be no different and I support as much freedom for players to do what they want as possible.

I totally get that in public matchmaking (and this goes to any game) tends to lean toward people not communicating and therefore teamwork is much harder.

Also Horde in many ways is actually quite an intricate and complicated game. Good Horde players need to not only do the usual things well - movement, aim accurately etc, but they need to really understand the mechanics, how one skill card interacts with another, and how they synygise with others.

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lol “constructive”. Lots of Gears fans have the attention span of gnats and rose-tinted views of the 360 days being all sunshine and rainbows.
Only good days were Cliffy days.
Only good days were when the Gnasher would shoot the floor.
Only good days were when the Lancer had 60 shots and stopping power.

Say “TC bad” and you get your circlejerk likes.

I rest my case.

Edit: My point is about rose-tinted fans and how they’ll never stop. Best practice is to not waste much time on unproductive comments. OP has the best intentions that I agree with but ultimately I believe are futile.

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Would you like to add something constructive then?
An idea perhaps?

Have fun reading all the essays I posted.

I love a good post with points that can be discussed!
Point me in the direction. I may completely agree with your points though…

I think TC are doing alright, they tried taking some things in the different direction, and it’s had pros and cons, like everything. I don’t think Covid is helping with the update and change rate either.

I think you misread my first post, I’m being sarcastic. I figured the “circlejerk” line would have been obvious.

Obviously I agree with the OP, but unlike him I’ve just run out of patience.

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im famous !! :smile: however I think you were kind of mean calling me a circlejerk…

I was just saying the truth about Gears 5 and TC as a whole.

you may not like it but doesnt make it less true Im afraid.

I wasn’t “calling you” that, but you do have posts that aren’t constructive and just fuel the fire a lot let’s be real.

I’m just using what I’ve seen in this thread alone.

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