Jack-Forge Master (Adv Horde Cards/Tactics) by Hu1k Daddy

Cryo is useless… Zero effect…

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I would only bother hijacking Mulchers, Claw Drones, Boomshots and maybe Salvo DR-1s if you’re looking for the highest damage output. Dropshot, Hammerbursts and both types of Grenadier can work, but may be less effective. Most other enemies aren’t worth bothering with due to far too low damage.

I think it absolutely sucks that the ice scion’s weapon has virtually zero effect… same for the trishot…

Either it’s a BUG (which I find unlikely since it’s a config issue which would have been fixed already if it was a bug), OR, more likely, an intentional nerf to, once again, micro manage players’ ability to inflict damage on a per weapon/per enemy basis…

But I don’t get it - I think there are as many salvo DR1s in the game as trishot DR1s, why does one work fine and the other is ridicolously underpowered?? A bullet from a mulcher scion does about 600 damage, a bullet from a trishot DR1 does about 100 damage… WTF…

The only thing I can imagine is, well, there are a lot more oppressors than mulcher scions, so TC is thinking “well, we can’t let them have access to lots of powerful weapons, no, no, no, so we will silently nerf all those weapons, and completely ignore any comments/complaints about them, so that way we aren’t really “lying” to our players”

Trishot only does a 3rd of the damage it does normally when you hijack an Oppressor for some dumb reason. The HB, Claw and Mulcher get to enjoy triple damage which makes Mulchers stupid strong.

especially with bleed :slight_smile:

I tried it with the bleed only level 2 (30%) and it was just broken. With Backstab maxed out, I kept him around the entire wave and was even able to execute something.

Shhh… keep quiet… I see a nerf coming… it’s too much fun… too useful… too “powerful”… yeah, nerf coming…

That’s why there are so few of those mulcher scions around…

It would be interesting to try that with an elite drone, but those don’t have nearly the health of a scion, so they’ll get killed much faster…

They still hit pretty hard but it is hard to beat the DPS of the Mulcher Scions. Elite Drones also are faster.

I’d recommend a read through of this, if you’re interested. :slightly_smiling_face:

While Elite Drone has less HP than Mulcher Scion, it can self regenerate HP after 5-10 seconds in cover,

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The early waves also has lower HP enemies. So Imago and Peacekeepers are viable against each other, Juvies and Tracker. The DR-1 Protector with Overkill does fine against Peacekeepers too.

Ok, confirmed…

Jack’s flying speed is NOT affected (in any noticeable way) by either “roadie running” OR the movement perk…

I will put up the side by side videos in the future, but that was my initial finding… Anorher totally counter intuitive mechanism in this game…

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