I love that they cloak and apparently also use smokes. Also happy the grenadiers use flashbangs
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Yeah, it took me a while to figure this out. I saw Elite Hunter with Smoke and Elite Grenadier with Flashbang. But not sure if this applied to normal Hunter and Grenadier. Iâm expecting the normal Grenadier to have Frag Grenades though. But havenât seen them toss yet.
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The way they actually handle it in game looks terrible too. Watch the Escape video where they choose characters. The game says it will âresolve conflicts automatically when the match startsâ as if itâs going to auto change it for you, which will result in even more quitting.
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I understand a bit, why they made it this way. Character locked heroes, no duplicate. Letâs say we have two Kait.
Kait - Offense.
Kait - Offense.
Who knows which Kait has Air Strike and which has Bubble Shield?
Or two Engineers.
Kait - Engie.
Kait - Engie.
Who has Trackers and who has Decoy?
Do you remember when people would more likely quit if we had two Engineers for Gears 4? Because they could have had similar, same cards instead of being diverse. It would be bad if both Kait had Trackers and same, similar cards. Or both had Decoy and same cards again.
From lobby standpoint view, you get to tell who is playing which role. And that everyone has different cards.
At the moment, two Engineers can work if they have different Ultimate Ability and different cards. Which is Del and Kat. In lobby, you see pic of Del and Kat. But you canât see their cards. You know they have different cards anyway.
Another reason is that power weapons are now limited. If you want to play two JD for Explosives, it will be difficult to manage ammunition because they are scarce. Dropshot Scions will only appear Wave 4 to 8 of Swarm variant Elite Hunters only found in Infected variant. Too many people canât use Dropshots or T-Bow. Itâs easier to let one guy be Explosive. Unless Engineer made a Locker or your Ammo Regen Perk was high enough.
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Yeah, otherwise they wouldâve made it a solo player only achievement. Your friends will be able to shoot, but you canât. But assuming you can use custom Hives (doesnât say you canât), Iâm sure weâll be seeing tons of Hives with no, or few if you canât have none, enemies titled âBrought a Knife to a Gun Fight easy achievementâ or something.
Honestly, looks like too much, too soon.
But I will give it a go. I never had a problem of âdefending a single spot for 50 wavesâ because that was the definition of Horde to me. I watched the 50 level run from Gamescom on YouTube and I miss the days when you could actually just hunker down and hold a single spot.
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Maybe Custom Map might not be allowed. Because it could result in cheating your way with easier, melee enemies. I would prefer to fight the Warden than Swarm Flock for melee only.
See I agree with you but this is a problem with the class system tbh not the characters. In my opinion it would be better to keep characters free from a class system and focus on no duplicate skills or make all perks become eventually teachable to other characters like dead by daylight. The orginal horde magic in gears two and three and four was picking your favorite character and making the actual character fit your play style. Not picking the character that fits how YOU wanna play. I wanna be sniper Clayton or stealthy Marcus. Iâm in no means hating on this game whatsoever Iâm just curious how they intend to pull this off. I love everything theyâre adding I just hope they donât limit players. Does that make sense at all?
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I saw that too if I put all my time into a character and it forces me to be someone I have put zero time into its gonna be hard to invest my time in horde like I used too
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It sounds like youâre trying to convince yourself of these things. Thatâs fine, Iâm not trying to sway you whatsoever. Just letting you know that people arenât as foolish as you seem to think they are, and their opinions and tastes are valid.
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Playing as jack ⌠2 hours of healing other players, repairing fortifications, carrying weapons & stunning enemies ?? sounds very entertaining for sure âŚ
oh i forgot, and 2 minutes of actually playing as a swarm character and killing stuff âŚ
âŚyeah, youâre not selling it to me 
Jack is only meant for newer players, if youâre adept at the game I canât see you using it all that much unless itâs to grind his level up to max for achievements. Itâs also something new that doesnât take away from any other part of the game, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Or for those hungover morning-afters where you canât function and need something easy and chilled.
Iâm the kinda person who holds doors open for people and helps grannies cross the road. This is right up my ever-helpful street!
I think it wouldâve been way better to be able to buy jack mid game and AI controls it âŚ
With some pinging mechanics you could command the AI to do stuff like repairing, healing & all these boring stuff ⌠So players can get into more action âŚ
New or not what kind of gaming experience it is, sticking to someoneâs butt and healing them for 2 - 3 hours ?
4 players with 1 Jack Bot is the way to go imo âŚ
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Yeah, I had a similar idea from a couple of years back - that JACK could be a default âpassive abilityâ for the Engineer that follows them around and can be directed to do stuff through the target marking system - attack, repair, revive etc. It would have to be repaired and reloaded at the Fabricator; and could even be directly controlled from the Fabricator. And it could be customised depending on the playerâs taste through branching skill trees focused around attack, support buffs for team mates, or a combination.
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Sounds like youâve already convinced yourself that you wonât like horde before youâve even tried it.
Your loss.
Not playing horde is definitely no loss 
Iâm literally only buying the game for horde at this point. Iâve written off Escape, never play versus, and donât give a â â â â about campaign.