That applies to Horde as well.
To the OP - Escape is definitely much harder than Horde. I personally like it for that because it’s a real challenge and requires players to be more adaptable, use a wider range of skills, and to have a bigger and more indepth understanding the game mechanics. One of the key things is it uses a wider range of mutators, whereas Horde uses the same ones.
Yeah your right on that.
That’s what I mean, these enemies kill you so fast your replaying the beginning over and over until the spawn changes, then you get past that part but then die from something else.
Every modifier added increases enemy HP and damage, which is counterintuitive as extra health and damage exists as modifiers.
I wish TC would be more clear about this.
Of course the challenge is key but you have to grind a lot before you get to that moment were Master Enemies are a piece a cake. Problem with this is only the same characters are used over and over making them meta
Exactly! I don’t mind it happening, but they should show on screen that it is happening.
Add a fourth modifier? 2x damage. Add a 6th? 2x health. Whatever it may be, just TELL us so we can plan appropriately…
It would be cool if the Maps had set multipliers but you can add more with the difficulties you choose.
But they do have set modifiers 0.0, I’m so confused, am I missing something 
Yes, you missed something. He said multipliers, not modifiers.
Oh does he mean how modifiers etc? Because yes maps do have individual multipliers for things still Besides just the difficulty multipliers? I think escape is great. Your names popping up a lot now lambent ;p
We are discussing the hidden damage, accuracy, and health multipliers as you add on more difficulty modifiers.
What I was saying about Maps having their own set multipliers example If I pick core, Core will always have enemies or specific enemies (maybe because they spawn more) do extra damage without me having to Host a lobby and select the Difficulty Modifiers to do so.
Because of this now Players Difficulty choice can be more base how many enemies will spawn, increase the chances of a boss appearing during a Act, the length of the Acts, more rewards , more loot to find, etc
Escape needs larger maps, 4 players, random objectives, random enemies, more weapons and ammo, bosses
just like a campaign map/mission
There are some GREAT custom escape maps. TC could learn from them!
I think that would ruin escapes uniqueness as a game since other games play with that type of system, it’s cool picking which modifiers you want like extra scions or wardens on some maps and grinding out dailies doing that instead. Each mode should reward you more for playing it however, exp in this game is brutal.
I understand that this opposite to horde, not so much of a long run.
I really like the mode but id love it if there was hidden surprises.
Imagine getting to Heli pad for the raven to get blow up, or having to retreat, forcing you to hold off or find alternative route etc .
Or you could hot potatoe a single gun. Etc …
Escape is awesome. Haters are gonna hate. Ask T-swift.
Anyway, what i think escape needs is seeing your heroes levels and role in the menu. I.E. the pictures of each characters face with the level and shield for tank etc. It’s really hard to switch characters when you can’t see what your party is doing and you don’t know what level each of your characters are.
Sometimes it feels like they reuse stuff from other maps.
I like having everything new so it can be unique.
Maybe add elements like ice lake, lasers, button scorch. Stuff like in the game.
Also better enemies like a swarmak or matriarch chasing you & goes insane & kills everything. I know the level would have to be huge for swarmak.
I think the mode is awesome. It’s very challenging for me. I like how they give every swarm Creature their own map.
Honestly can play escape & not be bored for a while.
Yeah I really like the mode. Maybe areas more like a forest,
Or even a lab .
That would be great to implement Charater levels instead of the profile level being shown.
I was thinking they should have load outs for your Characters on Escape, maybe even on Horde.
What they could do is give every character a cog gear skin,
Itl make it harder if you didn’t know what skills they had