Does Anyone have an ACTUAL Problem with Kait?

Well, we don’t know for sure how far long events have progressed so it’s possible that she has settled into her role in the COG for a little while. But even so, she comes from a different background compared to JD or his father.

For Marcus and his generation, they grew up in war. Pre-Emergence society instilled a sense of duty; an expectation to contribute to both the war effort and the state. And so they served and fought just as their parents fought, and their grandparents, and great-grandparents, etc. Their reasons and feelings may vary, but it was all they knew; JD briefly made a point about this during the campaign. Speaking of whom, while JD grew up in a time of peace, he did so in the shadow of humanity’s greatest champions, with the influence of this fledgling New COG not far off, so it makes sense that he would follow in his father’s footsteps.

Kait is different, she doesn’t fully appreciate or perhaps fit in with this. She grew up in a society that is largely anti to everything the COG is. Where the COG is for order, the Outsiders favor freedom. What the COG defines as duty, the Outsiders prefer cooperation. Where the COG is rigid, the Outsiders are fluid. This is what Kait knows, and probably why she doesn’t fit the typical mold of a soldier.

I’ll admit that she did come off as moody at times, yet I don’t think there’s nothing wrong with a character acting out or letting their emotions get the better of them—in fact it makes them more interesting. But it didn’t always work out because it felt like the writers were trying to create tension between the characters that didn’t go anywhere.

There’s probably a lot that we don’t know yet as the Gears 5 trailer only provides a glimpse into the direction of the story; but considering what we know about Kait’s heritage and the implications such knowledge has for the rest of humanity, I think her behavior can be justified if given the proper context.

Meh. I don’t buy that. Oscar is a COG vet and Reyna seems like a good leader who wants the best for her daughter. Her family would wanna give her the tactics to survive. And it seems she’s been friends with Del and JD for at least a little while. So you’d think she’d have learned a little bit from them.

And I was gonna mention Judgement but that post felt long enough already. That comparison doesn’t work. Each member of Kilo considers what will happen and they all agree to defy the orders. They consciously make the decision. Kait does not. Her big decisions are made on an emotional impulse. She clearly doesn’t understand the consequences until JD tells her how foolish it is.

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Ah, good ol’ Stoic wisdom. Stick with it.

And yes, agreed in many ways. JD has one of the biggest shadows to fill. Del, he was an orphan so he (how I see it) is much like “Finn” in the new Star Wars trilogy. Both Del and Finn are just looking for something to fight for. Whether it be friends/“what’s right” etc.

And the comparison between the rigid COG and fluid Outsiders is an important one. I see a lot of people talking about Kait being moody (it’s just cheesy writing. Not sure if there’s a female writer on the team, so that could be the cause–since you know, guys are never able to understand women. Don’t @ me) but even her being indoctrinated into the COG means nothing. She’s lived under Reyna and Oscar for what 20-22 years I think is the ages of the new cast? Time and time again, in our world especially, people act how they were raised. Just because soldiers are raised to fight “for the better” doesn’t mean they’ll follow through. Kait may seem more irrational, but I think that would make sense? She didn’t go to boarding school like Del or JD, I’m not sure exactly how well-educated she is.

So, I would justify her irrational behavior, as we see it a couple times, not just in Gears, but in history too. People don’t like being told what to do, especially if they grew up in a “free” society, just like Kait did.

As you said, JD grew up in Marcus’ shadow. All the older characters grew up with grandparents who did nothing but fight a war. Kait is the opposite. Her bloodline isn’t full of legendary Heroes (If she truly is related to Myrrah, it might be the exact opposite)

And as far as her bloodline, I’d like to see her go with Del to New Hope. Kait finds out tons and tons about Myrrah. becomes paranoid, (why we see her aim down Del) and then we’ll see her almost succumb to the Swarm, then finally (maybe?) we’ll see how she’s grown and rationalizes, she’ll turn on the Swarm “king” or whatever and then she’ll accept the COG’s help to try and exterminate the Swarm.

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You mean besides the fact she is unhinged and the stereotypical “strong female lead” that does what she wants even if it is idiotic and endangers her companions because "I’m tough and fight the patriarchy RAWR " ?

And besides the fact that in her unhinged-ness she pulls a gun on Del at one point?

And besides that because of the shift in protagonist JD had to be written now as the militaristic ■■■■■■■■■ guy who is poised as the guy you are meant to hate because he opposes the aforementioned strong female lead lack of rationality with direct orders which she then breaks because FEELZ and we then we are supposed to feel sympathetic with her because tho she is a total whiny brat she pouts real cute?

Yeah no nothing at all…

My only solace is that I might get to put a bullet in her head in gears 6

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Well see she put a gun to Del’s head (presumably) because she saw Del talking to JD after her outrage. As we saw, JD doesn’t trust Kait and told Del so. If Kait knows Del my be suspicious of her, what do you think “What did JD tell you?”

I wouldn’t put it all on blaming the “strong female lead” and the outburst makes sense. Running away from the army in search for family is the EXACT SAME reason Marcus was mailed in the slab.

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Exactly. People are paranoid and assume that everything is a feminist and SJW agenda. People who moan about SJW’s are worse than SJW’s and clearly have no idea about anything. It’s bordering on the whole Incel subculture.

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I’m sorry but in what ■■■■■■■ world is pointing a gun to your best friends head because he is talking to your ex boyfriend (and that is assuming he actually is) JUSTIFIABLE???

you mean to tell me if YOUR friend did that you’d just smile and take it and say everything is hunky dory?

Or…OR…just hear me out… it’s because it’s a ■■■■■■■ annoying trend and people can see the signs of it written on the walls with what we have seen here and are readying themselves for disappointment (and hopefully some nice harsh backlash if that is the case)

Just a thought

But hey I’m optimistic, I’m still hoping half the campaign follows jd and Marcus and it will balance the BS out.

I do think Kait is just written in a ■■■■■■ way. There is nothing at the moment suggesting that it is SJW garbage. Of course, in the end you might turn out to be right and Gears 5 might become a Star Wars Episode 8 and go full SJW insanity. But to be honest, I do not think so. Kait makes sense as a new protagonist. Though I´d prefer to have it 50/50, because JDs new look is awesome. You need to relax a little bit and not assume that it is SJW garbage, because it has a female main protagonist. I hate SJW
and feminist culture just as much as you, but there is no need to become paranoid.

The signs are there man.

You know what? I heard the EXACT argument when I pointed out that 343 was trying to replace The Master Chief as the protagonist of mainline halo games before launch, pointed out all the signs. I was told I was paranoid and I should relax and wait and see.

Remind me…WHAT happened then?

Oh yeah, 343 actually TRIED to do that. Gave us an 80/20 split campaign in favor of Locke’s Osiris team, put him in the best possible light even placing him on par physically as John (oh God lore wise that is idiotic and even the devs said as much) to set him up as the next protagonist.

Thank god the backlash was severe enough that Frankie was even forced to come out and do a mea culpa.

Oh oh, I was also called paranoid when I said Fallout 76 was going to be trash because of the “hey we are like Destiny, sort of, play with friends kumbaya ■■■■■■■■”…I heard the exact same argument there too

The wait and see stance is why we actually get this crap. It is FAR better to be vocal about these signs way early and let the devs know we are not happy with them than to have to bear a released game that is just ripe with BS.

And your next reply is likely going to be “well because x company ■■■■■■ up does not mean the coalition will”

Yep I heard that too before.

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I think it’s safe to say that we’ve reached a consensus: Kait is a fascinating character.

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Blame the ‘finding dad’ part on Del. If they went to Jinn with the imulsion crystal thing like JD -WISELY- suggested, none of the crap they did would have happened. Marcus was HOW close to dying because of some seriously stupid behaviour from Del. He was supposed to be an officer right? I hope most officers in the new Cog aren’t that stupid. No wonder Jinn’s team got caught, in that case.

  1. Give it to Jinn’s people, she’ll give it to Baird most likely,
  2. Baird phones a friend named Marcus.
  3. Delta recognizes crystal from Locust shells.
  4. Send out DB squads for recon work near the outsider outpost, Find Swarm base.
  5. Blow outer areas to **** with sexy Vulture. Sweep the hive with DR-1s , Send JD and Delta to mop up with a few flamethrowers…, and plant a big **** bomb at the heart of the hive. Seriously, where are the Scorchers in this game?
  6. Post a few Kestrels at the Hive entrance and mow down anything that tries to get out, other than humans.
  7. Shoot Kait and Del “accidentally” , you know…for being useless.
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That kind of psuedo intellectual talk is very harmful to actual discussions.

Oh golly. Not this again…

I think it’s fairly obvious that there is a push, in many forms of media , to show women as strong. I don’t see an issue with this until it borders on the ridiculous. Women do have their own strengths and an inner strength that is different than men.

Now, if Kait some how gets into a fight with a drone and is bare knuckle whipping it’s ■■■, there’s some issues there…

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Other than that she is not a good character, was clearly and solely designed to be relatable to the teen angsty, outcast, beanie wearing hipstresses that are a dime a dozen on twitch, and has all the worst lines at the beginning of every mp match, along with no redeemable qualities whatsoever, I dont see whats wrong with her.

I hope shes a locust before the credits roll in Gears 5.

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Hated JD in Gears 4. Probably not gonna like Kait in Gears 5. Not for any other reason than I played Gears 1, 2 and 3 and loved the original crew. Truthfully, as long as I can play as Augustus Cole in Versus and Horde I don’t care.

I mean, would you be revenge ridden if you found out your grandpa was Hitler and he was killed by someone?

Wrong war, both of my grandpa’s were in the Pacific during ww2. So your hittler statement wouldn’t be relevant. I still say kait goes evil.

That’s not the point?

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