Anybody else think we’re going to get Gridlock for Operation 4

Gears 5
#41

Funny you bring up Halo as an example (which isn’t surprising, I mean its in your name) people made the same argument for Halo 5, it kinda fell apart because you could earn REQ packs so easily in that game, but I think that argument was more fair for Halo 5 than Gears 5 all things considered. Regardless of how you feel about MTX I suspect they’ll never take it out of Gears (or Halo) as its had a proven track record for making :moneybag:

map packs are an outdated concept, the truth is that people hate buying maps that they can’t play on with their friends, like imagine you are wanting to play a Master Horde run but because you don’t have map x you get kicked, it just creates a lot of unnecessary friction within the community.

The one main benefit of map packs is that it would essentially mean you could just not buy Pahanu (in this case) so you would probably end up with a better map pool for that reason (I reallllly hate Pahanu, in case you haven’t noticed :joy:) yet because they would probably separate players who purchased all maps to those who purchased none you’d kinda be screwed anyways. I also imagine that the map release cycle would be much much slower, because I doubt players would be excited to purchase 2 maps together (like what we’ve gotten in Operations 2 & 3) so they’d have to release a map pack like every 6 months.

I just think this is a completely subjective sort of area, just using Halo as an example, I remember in Halo I purchased 1 map pack and I immediately regretted it, because you would hardly ever get to play them, and if the map pack wasn’t full of amazing maps (which they’re often be hit or miss) you were kinda screwing yourself in my eyes. I also just see the current MTX based system being better for developers because you know if you do something really impressive post launch that ALL (I suppose you could say most because not everybody necessarily plays MP or Horde and so on) of the playerbase will be able to enjoy it, one of the reasons why people don’t remember all the Gears 2/Gears 3 DLC is because plenty didn’t ever play on them my guy, so you had developers that spent tons of time and effort into making (most) of the maps pretty much get no recognition or appreciation, only like 20% (giving a general estimate, not sure of exact %) are actually going to play that map that you made, so it kind of reduces any incentive developers have to make great maps.

I’ve rambled enough about all this, I know you (as well as many others) are stuck in their ways but I thought I’d give my perspective on the matter.

@ll_R_E_D_l The worst part about them bringing back Gridlock or Blooddrive isn’t just that they’re boring, its that they’ll be voted for every match. Rubbing salt into our wounds :cry:

I honestly hope that they wait a bit (like 2 Operations from now) to bring back any of the (what I like to call) infamous 5 maps (Gridlock, Blooddrive, War Machine, Fuel Depot, Raven Down) not just because I’m tired of them, but that way the playerbase can kinda dip their toes into new and exciting maps, putting one of those maps into Gears 5 just takes any sort of interest people might have for other maps to be either remade or created.

TC could create the best map in Gears history (Allfathers gotta be in top 10 though, not gonna lie) but you best believe everybody gonna vote Gridlock or BloodDrive over that, and that’s a darn shame I tell you what.

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#42

Na man the worst part about bringing any of those maps back is that we wont get a remake that actually deserves a remake or one that we’ve been asking for. At this point even though I know the map will play like sh%t I’d rather have River

#43

River could be kinda neat depending on how they remake it, like if the river was frozen it would definitely look a bit different, and I do think that with some significant changes in terms of layout (they probably have to add another entry point in both of the towers somehow, though I can’t think of exactly how they’d do it) that the map could play pretty well, but Pahanu kinda lowered my expectations so I doubt TC is capable of improving any previous Gears of War map (they’d probably put a Trishot in the middle for example, stupid decisions like that)

The good thing here is that its not so much a matter of them remaking a map but moreso them just porting it from Gears 4, so I highly doubt that them porting the Gears 4 map versions to Gears 5 would hurt them too much in terms of time to make other remakes, I expect to see a lot more Gears 4 ports (because they’re easy and requested) so we’ll see. I doubt we’ll see any more of the Gears 4 (as in maps that were made not remade in Gears 4) maps for quite some time as they’ve already put in a handful of Gears 4 maps, but I do think any of those Gears 1-3 remakes in GOW4 are up for grabs in GOW5.

I’m not saying what I want TC to do, just what I expect them to do.

#44

you all need to give up on River.

the players have been asking for it since mid-life cycle of Gears 4 and it’s still not in the games. pretty clear they can’t make it work with their Gears vision. (esports/Escalation)

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#45

Pahanu would like to have a word or 2 with you.

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#46

Im just tired of TC taking the easy way out. While porting things might be easier for them it sucks for us. Im tired of playing the same maps that Ive been playing on for years now. Also TC is sitting on a gold mine of maps, While some wont work, I feel a lot will.

To be fair Epic couldnt make it work in Gears 3 either.

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#47

i really don’t get why players have an affinity for that map in the first place. it’s sudden popularity sprouted up during Gears 4 and I have no idea why.

#48

the suggestion was a horde map editor months ago… and they didn’t even try man …

#49

People have been asking for that map since Gears 3. I just think with all the remakes TC was doing with 4 people thought there’d be a chance to see it return

I was never really a fan of it, I think there are a bunch of maps that are better from 2 that Id love to see return way before River

They’ve been talking about that map editor since before launch @D_A_N_III_3_L
The problem being all the problems with launch and all the catch up TC has to do.
I think it will come in Op 5

#50

@ll_R_E_D_l I agree :cry:

The lazy way is probably the only way forward for TC at the moment.

I don’t think River is without promise, with enough tweaking (you pretty much have to remake it while keeping in mind how OP both snipe/torque towers are) it could be solid, but like, Gears 5 already has like 4 snipe vs snipe maps anyways so I think we can do without another.

@Goodacre River was a really good horde map, I also really enjoyed the aesthetics (it felt a lot like Avalanche really) but realistically I still think its overrated (Hail gets no love man, even though they’re both launch maps)

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#51

at the pace man they have been releasing things it will come to OP7 if enough people are left… right now the decline of the playbase has been substancial .

#52

Well the good news is that no other game on the market really plays like Gears, what this means (and has been evident in most games prior) is that people will still keep coming back off and on over time, of course there’s a decline in population over time (that’s mainly because there are a ton of fun games to play nowadays :slightly_smiling_face:)

I imagine Halo Infinite will hurt the population of Gears 5 more than just about any other game, as they’re both exclusives (on Gamepass) and there is a ton of overlap between them.

Gears has always been a really “nice” but smallish community, kinda like it the way it is honestly.

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#53

I dislike Pahanu. I played it twice, and each time i found it hard to build on. Barriers are number one on my list of things to build as the Engineer, and it is surprising how many you need to build to create a good base. I dislike Pahanu for that reason. And, it is a confusing map too. The design structure is rather odd, for me it has no start or no beginning, which ever character play n that map it always ends up the same, you just run around forever.

I actually stopped playing Halo Reach because the maps i bought never came up, for some reason it was always the same map, over and over again. Community map packs. They should have had their own playlist, instead they were chucked in with everything else, resulting in map packs bought, my favourite maps never coming around.
So, yeah i get what you mean about the map packs, sadly i am old fashioned, i do prefer the older style, yet i see the benefit of the new style, with bonuses to the fact you choose whether you put money in to the game or not. Take Halo 5 for instance, all maps are free, all updates, patches and stuff are free, it is riddled with Micro Transactions, no one likes it, but you would be surprised how many pay in to it. I for one have never bought anything from the Store in Halo 5, it was enough i bought the game.

It is amazing how many play Allfathers, but i got to be honest, i will be pleased to play something different, even if it is an old and tired recycled map such as Gridlock or Blood Drive, i can not wait to play these.