About had it with toxic players that think they are too good to break a capped hill

Gears 5
#42

I don’t agree with calling people out so long as they are trying which you clearly were. I’m not sure how much of your post was down to being written in the heat of the moment but the importance you place on breaking the ring really puzzles me and always has.

I can’t agree with a lot of what you’ve said. If you have “half the eliminations but 1000% more breaks” I’d choose the person with double the amount of elims for a teammate every time. My opinion, they are affecting the outcome of the match a lot more with their elims than somebody who keeps breaking.

“0 breaks is pathetic” and talk of penalties for 0 breaks is nonsense. If you are playing KOTH well then you shouldn’t need to break a lot.

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#43

Nail on the head, thank you :slight_smile:

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#44

@VisioN_Shura30 i.wasnt trying to prop myself up for being better or deserved more because iI had the highest # of breaks. I only said that b/c some douchebab felt the need to to tell me to go ■■■■ myself over group chat because he was mad we lost and wanted to somehow blame it on me publicly b/c he felt based on my # elims that i “didnt do good enough”. We lose 2-1. Dude is sitting on 0 breaks for all three matches…Yet is gonna call ME out for us losing?. I had a good amount of caps. More than average. I had the most breaks. My elims suffered that match because of breaking/trying to break…Its somehow okay in his head to have absolutely 0 productivity in 1 of 3 areas of an objective based mode, yet wants to say its all my fault. I call ■■■■■■■■. And I call ■■■■■■■■ to all the toxic players that (A) talk down to anyone over global chat like their ■■■■ doesnt stink. And (b) i call ■■■■■■■■ on the guy doing the dirty work being undervalued and underappreciated. Obviously the guy calling me out doesnt like breaking himself or else he wouldnt have had a 0 in that category. How about being appreciative you have a teammate that is willing to sacrifice some of his offensive stats to do the ■■■■ job you dont wanna do or think is beneath you. I have never once and never will actively try to embarrass anyone over global chat. Its classless. You win some and you lose some. Its a video game. Win with class and lose with class.
As @WiNKZ_typeBEAT alluded to, the best teams in koth all break together and all cap together. Then set up there lancers. Its almost impossible to stop a team from breaking or capping if everyone does it all at once. I say if you dont wanna break and just wanna be Mr offense, GTFOO KOTH and go play TDM. .

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#45

tbh I also try to motivate people in the lobby
most don’t listen/read through the whole match and the salt becomes real…it’s all part of the game
and I also think bigger fault still lies in the matchmaking…what rank are you now in koth?

but as for the quoted part, I’m trying to tell you that having a high number of breaks while trying to tell everyone you did good in a match is a bit of a stretch because you might just die over and over while breaking the hill for just a couple of seconds, leaving your team in a 4v5 during respawn

I honestly am suggesting you to focus on other areas, a break is welcomed but killing them all while stopping the score then capping yourself is a much better choice

#46

@VisioN_Shura30 any toxic salt after a match over global chat is classless. Period. It reeks of garbage sportsmanship. Just say Gg if you lost. No one person or play is responsible for losing. You only see 1 perspective the majotity of the match. Your perspective. My story has nothing to do with who was or wasn’t the worst. I played team sports a large chunk of my life. You win as a team. You lose as a team. Say good game if you lose and move on. This SALT ■■■■■■■■ is a product of a younger generations look at me attitude. You have every right to be annoyed if you lost. Have some perspective. Being salty over losing a video game match is the penultimate 1st world problem. All these players cussing at each other…all the hate over chat…towards someone you have no idea is either 9, 19,29…Its lame and pathetic. Ive seen homophobic racist bile spewed over that chat. Stuff that makes me embarrasse to be a part of humanity its so horrible. Just press the button and play another one. .

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#47

I’d say blame TC for not having a dedicated QM KOTH playlist. I think you’re seeing more of the people who don’t give a ■■■■ about rank or teamplay and just want to play KOTH.

Apparently pooling 3 game modes in one playlist is a good idea to someone.

Also, I agree with you mostly, but some people have pointed out that there are times when all 5 people on one point is a bad idea. Lancer support or spacing to avoid nades or getting flanked because you’re tunnel visioned is a good idea, but you need a group for that kind of coordination.

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#48

Koth solo que is a whole different animal than playing on a stack with people that are communicating. Agreed.

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#49

you claim saltiness about losing a match yet you’re salty yourself about online gaming behavior…sorry, this excuse won’t work

I’m telling you one last time then we can go on with our lives, breaking hills without a plethora of other activities in a koth match is pointless and if you’re getting blamed for a loss it’s still your fault.
I’ve already told you that jumping into a ring to break it for a couple of seconds is pointless, you need to reduce the amount of enemies on the screen then cap, spread out and control

I’d still blame matchmaking as you probably dunked some masters/diamond game with poor performance, possibly you didn’t belong to those lobbies

#50

I used to think like this but then when you actually think about it kamikaze breaking isn’t doing anyone any favours.

You’re essentially pushing a hill with probably 5 players set up lancering, you are just going to die and they are going to re-cap pretty quickly and you maybe save like 3-4 points, it takes a whole team effort to get efficient breaks. Unless you’re goated with the shotgun and can take out 2-3 players in the process of breaking I’d just be patient and try and push with your teammates rather than trying to do it on your own.

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#51

absolutely right :ok_hand:

#52

This will never change. In fact, with the introduction of “Eliminations” it’s worse.

Given the fact that you barely need to put in much damage to receive the “Elimination” for the death of an enemy, deeming it inaccurate, it no doubt encourages people to keep a distance an target other battles whether it’s in the ring or not.

I understand what they aimed for with introducing it as opposed to the normal “Kills”, but it really doesn’t work.

Anyway. I agree with you.

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#53

+1

0 breaks is inexcusable in KOTH. But when you are playing with randoms that’s just the way it is sometimes.

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#54

And im rando all the time. I never ever said it was “kamikaze” breaking. When you play with rando’s, you either get a team that is realli y good or really garbage. And im not gonna sit there while no one else wants to enter the hill, and allow point after point to keep racking up. Ive seen players walk up to the circle, and then back away to chase an elim when they were literally 2 steps from a break. And I.dont mean back away from the hill to avoid a death either. I mean back away to go kill someone 15 feet away.
The thing is, I was never ever trying to say that the amount of my breaks far outweighs any perceived shortcoming in elims. All I was trying to say is that, every match is different. If you think my elims werent good enough, at least look at my other stats and see that i was contributing in a different way. Bottom line is, im not ever ever gonna call out or berate anyone after a match if we lose…What does that even accomplish? Its not like you are gonna get a re-do. Its judt boorish ■■■■■■■ behaviour. And look in the mirror b4 you do it. If you are sitting on a 0 in a category, probably best not to run your mouth.
I said in an earlier post that if you had a 0 in breaks (or caps) there should be a “penalty”. To clarify, what I should have said was their should be a point deduction from your final score…just like in escape with friendly fire or player mia. And ill stick to that no matter. Koth is objective based. Not elimination based. If your not contributing in every category, then your not contributing in every category. That simple.

#55

Best to settle this with the person(s) you had the problem with than come make a forum post complaining about them IMO

#56

@Aloha_its_Kyle while I hear you, my issue really is with all the man childten that use global.chat for nothing but toxicity. Ive seen racist, homophobic, misogynistic bile spewed over that feature. People in this game more than any other seem to completely disregard any basic rules of civility or sportsmanship…most of the garbage that gets thrown out there would never be said face to face. I know I would have knocked a few teeth out and flattened a few noses if they had. People need to just play…say GG if you win or if you lose. … Move on. Play another. Keep their side of the street clean and dont worry about the other.

#57

I’m ALL about Kamikaze breaking and for the most part the strategy works more often than it doesn’t.

If the enemy team has set up defensive positions, breaking a ring means that at least 2 or more of them have had their defence play disrupted (eg havin to come out from their camping positions etc) and they have to recap the ring. It also makes the enemies next play predictable in that they may as a team (if thats their style) recap the ring as a unit. Perfect for a team mate in waitin with a boom or frag aimed at the ring. And as long as a break results in at least a 1 v 1 trade, imo it’s worth it as you might be leaving one enemy left to cap which is slower and will give my teammates more time to get to the ring.

And how many games have you played where for some reason when a match is about to end EVERYONE all of a sudden steps their break/cap game up? Or how many games have gone down to the wire? My aim is to ALWAYS keep the points gap as far apart as possible and bleeding points while I wait for my team to get on the same page isn’t a strategy I co-sign unless I’m in a stack which Im usually not.

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#58

I’ve seen / heard way worse in MW2 and Cod4.

Back before parties I had a few MS employees monitor my in game voice because I reported so many people. Now with parties I don’t have to succumb to toxic people.

Any racism or derogatory chat I will bait that person in Xbox live messages. Happened from rocket league just the other week for the most recent. As gears and RL are the only ones I play with in game text chat.

#59

@Aloha_its_Kyle i hear you. Ive judt never been into COD…so i wouldnt know. I do play a lot of rocket league, and very rarely does it get nasty. Lots of sportsmanship in that game.
Im older. And I know I sound like the old guy screaming at kids to get off my lawn. I played lots of team sports growing up. I played very competitive soccer and football. Their were teams we had bad blood with. Lots of rough stuff that went in in game. But we always shook hands at the end and said good game. The “bad blood” was because we were all so competitive. But their was also a lot of mutual respect. .A lot of guys on another team you didnt like…it was only because they were good players. Lots of them became teammates at one point or another…and were really good dudes. I say just leave it on the field. Win.or lose with a little class.
@WiNKZ_typeBEAT i agree with you on breaking. My thought process is just, “,nothing easy,”. At least make it a pain in their ■■■ to earn em. And how many koth matches have you lost by a “couple of points”?. Every now and then, those 4 or 5.points they lost by a “kamikaze” break are enough to win the match. But damn…lets not just sit back.and Lancer from 50 meters away while they just rack up point after point. Deuces.

#60

Sure you can be all about it and it works at times; never implied it didn’t. It is though a stupid strategy when you play against a few decent players and even worse of an idea when playing against a stack.

You can keep the point gap as low / wide as you want; that’s a respected position. I only need a hill for 40/20 split. I couldn’t care less about a hill lower than 15. Playing to cap THEN decide how to set up defense / positions is silly.

Being the 1 with all the breaks (or the majority) is like the kid on the playground with lice. You don’t want to be it.

#61

Well said buddy !! Problem is there are a high percentage of players who PLAY FOR THEMSELVES. Forget or don’t even see the bigger picture. They see it as Them & I rather than being part of a working team. Those players ruin it for everyone else.

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