About had it with toxic players that think they are too good to break a capped hill

Gears 5
#49

you claim saltiness about losing a match yet you’re salty yourself about online gaming behavior…sorry, this excuse won’t work

I’m telling you one last time then we can go on with our lives, breaking hills without a plethora of other activities in a koth match is pointless and if you’re getting blamed for a loss it’s still your fault.
I’ve already told you that jumping into a ring to break it for a couple of seconds is pointless, you need to reduce the amount of enemies on the screen then cap, spread out and control

I’d still blame matchmaking as you probably dunked some masters/diamond game with poor performance, possibly you didn’t belong to those lobbies

#50

I used to think like this but then when you actually think about it kamikaze breaking isn’t doing anyone any favours.

You’re essentially pushing a hill with probably 5 players set up lancering, you are just going to die and they are going to re-cap pretty quickly and you maybe save like 3-4 points, it takes a whole team effort to get efficient breaks. Unless you’re goated with the shotgun and can take out 2-3 players in the process of breaking I’d just be patient and try and push with your teammates rather than trying to do it on your own.

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#51

absolutely right :ok_hand:

#52

This will never change. In fact, with the introduction of “Eliminations” it’s worse.

Given the fact that you barely need to put in much damage to receive the “Elimination” for the death of an enemy, deeming it inaccurate, it no doubt encourages people to keep a distance an target other battles whether it’s in the ring or not.

I understand what they aimed for with introducing it as opposed to the normal “Kills”, but it really doesn’t work.

Anyway. I agree with you.

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#53

+1

0 breaks is inexcusable in KOTH. But when you are playing with randoms that’s just the way it is sometimes.

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#54

And im rando all the time. I never ever said it was “kamikaze” breaking. When you play with rando’s, you either get a team that is realli y good or really garbage. And im not gonna sit there while no one else wants to enter the hill, and allow point after point to keep racking up. Ive seen players walk up to the circle, and then back away to chase an elim when they were literally 2 steps from a break. And I.dont mean back away from the hill to avoid a death either. I mean back away to go kill someone 15 feet away.
The thing is, I was never ever trying to say that the amount of my breaks far outweighs any perceived shortcoming in elims. All I was trying to say is that, every match is different. If you think my elims werent good enough, at least look at my other stats and see that i was contributing in a different way. Bottom line is, im not ever ever gonna call out or berate anyone after a match if we lose…What does that even accomplish? Its not like you are gonna get a re-do. Its judt boorish ■■■■■■■ behaviour. And look in the mirror b4 you do it. If you are sitting on a 0 in a category, probably best not to run your mouth.
I said in an earlier post that if you had a 0 in breaks (or caps) there should be a “penalty”. To clarify, what I should have said was their should be a point deduction from your final score…just like in escape with friendly fire or player mia. And ill stick to that no matter. Koth is objective based. Not elimination based. If your not contributing in every category, then your not contributing in every category. That simple.

#55

Best to settle this with the person(s) you had the problem with than come make a forum post complaining about them IMO

#56

@Aloha_its_Kyle while I hear you, my issue really is with all the man childten that use global.chat for nothing but toxicity. Ive seen racist, homophobic, misogynistic bile spewed over that feature. People in this game more than any other seem to completely disregard any basic rules of civility or sportsmanship…most of the garbage that gets thrown out there would never be said face to face. I know I would have knocked a few teeth out and flattened a few noses if they had. People need to just play…say GG if you win or if you lose. … Move on. Play another. Keep their side of the street clean and dont worry about the other.

#57

I’m ALL about Kamikaze breaking and for the most part the strategy works more often than it doesn’t.

If the enemy team has set up defensive positions, breaking a ring means that at least 2 or more of them have had their defence play disrupted (eg havin to come out from their camping positions etc) and they have to recap the ring. It also makes the enemies next play predictable in that they may as a team (if thats their style) recap the ring as a unit. Perfect for a team mate in waitin with a boom or frag aimed at the ring. And as long as a break results in at least a 1 v 1 trade, imo it’s worth it as you might be leaving one enemy left to cap which is slower and will give my teammates more time to get to the ring.

And how many games have you played where for some reason when a match is about to end EVERYONE all of a sudden steps their break/cap game up? Or how many games have gone down to the wire? My aim is to ALWAYS keep the points gap as far apart as possible and bleeding points while I wait for my team to get on the same page isn’t a strategy I co-sign unless I’m in a stack which Im usually not.

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#58

I’ve seen / heard way worse in MW2 and Cod4.

Back before parties I had a few MS employees monitor my in game voice because I reported so many people. Now with parties I don’t have to succumb to toxic people.

Any racism or derogatory chat I will bait that person in Xbox live messages. Happened from rocket league just the other week for the most recent. As gears and RL are the only ones I play with in game text chat.

#59

@Aloha_its_Kyle i hear you. Ive judt never been into COD…so i wouldnt know. I do play a lot of rocket league, and very rarely does it get nasty. Lots of sportsmanship in that game.
Im older. And I know I sound like the old guy screaming at kids to get off my lawn. I played lots of team sports growing up. I played very competitive soccer and football. Their were teams we had bad blood with. Lots of rough stuff that went in in game. But we always shook hands at the end and said good game. The “bad blood” was because we were all so competitive. But their was also a lot of mutual respect. .A lot of guys on another team you didnt like…it was only because they were good players. Lots of them became teammates at one point or another…and were really good dudes. I say just leave it on the field. Win.or lose with a little class.
@WiNKZ_typeBEAT i agree with you on breaking. My thought process is just, “,nothing easy,”. At least make it a pain in their ■■■ to earn em. And how many koth matches have you lost by a “couple of points”?. Every now and then, those 4 or 5.points they lost by a “kamikaze” break are enough to win the match. But damn…lets not just sit back.and Lancer from 50 meters away while they just rack up point after point. Deuces.

#60

Sure you can be all about it and it works at times; never implied it didn’t. It is though a stupid strategy when you play against a few decent players and even worse of an idea when playing against a stack.

You can keep the point gap as low / wide as you want; that’s a respected position. I only need a hill for 40/20 split. I couldn’t care less about a hill lower than 15. Playing to cap THEN decide how to set up defense / positions is silly.

Being the 1 with all the breaks (or the majority) is like the kid on the playground with lice. You don’t want to be it.

#61

Well said buddy !! Problem is there are a high percentage of players who PLAY FOR THEMSELVES. Forget or don’t even see the bigger picture. They see it as Them & I rather than being part of a working team. Those players ruin it for everyone else.

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#62

53 downs!? let’s go!

im with you, some times i dont get near the hill but im downing hella people, especially on a map like district or all fathers - easy 50+ downs.

Not too long ago, i had a game on district of 180 elims and 80 downs but we lost because my team was just not playing the right way.

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#63

I’ve about had it with people who use the word “toxic” in anything other than a chemical context, but hey ho.

#64

Your breaks are meaningless if you dont have teamwork.
I dont cap and barely break but I rotate almost all the time so I’m there to set up.
I’ll bounce out of a hill right before it caps ( I get nervous and want to set up) missing easy points.
Numerous times I’ll yell at people because they dont rotate and fight for 4 or 5 points on a dead hill.
I like to lancer support more than be in the middle of a shotgun fight. So you capping works for me. But if you dont rotate and set up you gonna lose regardless.

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#65

Yeah but let’s take foundation on the shock hills.
You are alone facing 5 people on the hill. You run in your dead. The hill is capped already and you’ve wasted a life for nothing.
You can either rotate to the next hill or wait. I’ll wait and I’ll say im not rushing 5 people for. Nothing.

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#66

Because if I get set up behind my main guy we dont let anything through typically. I set up on the cross on district and you cant get across it’s an easy cap for my team. If I’m there capping and then go out then I risk dying faster leaving my team down.

Is there times where a full team cap is smart? Yes.
Are there times where a set up is better? Yes.

#67

Because breaking the ring just to have them cap it again while your team is down a man is a waste of everyones time.

#68

Savage wasnt yelling at them?

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